That's what I want to know Maddy. I'm a bit confused where that came from.

<< You will never ever ever get rid of UCM.


It will always be 50% atleast of the player base.>>


Aren't 67% of all statistics made up?

 

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It was a pre-emptive counter arguement Usually I'll get the "it doesn't hurt you, so don't tell me how to play the game". Just using a broad spectrum for when the ucm apologists come around, sorry to confuse the both of you.


Anyways,

So, decal can't distinguish a UCM from an ACM? No kidding, eh. Could Decal's beta version?


Since macroers, for the most part, are simply WATCHING their screen, it wouldn't be hard at all for them to answer some random trivia questions every minute. Simple questions, such as "what color is the sky" could be rotated/updated once a week.


Or design it so the question has multiple answers, such as

1a."What color is the sky?" Please reply with the first letter being lowercase and the remaining letters in the word uppercase


1b. "what color is the sky?" Please reply in lowercase and have the last letter in your answer be capitalized.


Any incorrect answer logs you off, so if you are there and have a typo, you simply log back in.


I find it funny that you admit that acm/ucming has hurt the game, drak, yet refuse to do anything about it. Make the scumbags use actool or whatever for their ucming needs, chances are a few of them are zit popping teenagers that couldn't tell you what COBAL is, let alone be able to use scripts and etc.

Im sure there are others like vision, that are in the IT field. We can't stop everyone, but your help in the matter (even if its x amount of YEARS) would greatly help clean up the game.


You yourself admit that its hurt the game. Why twiddle your thumbs and wait for Turbie to do something, when you can?

why should WE enforce Turbine's rules? We aren't the AC police. We create and maintain Decal.


as for your "Question" suggestion, do YOU want to sit there and answer questions in AC all day? I didn't think so. I certainly don't want to be bothered with that, and I don't CM at all.. ACM or UCM... I don't run anything currently, and when I did, I really only used Oracle of Dereth and Magellan2 .. mainly.


Your "suggestion" hurts more people than actually the UCMs it would stop.


and as I said before.. we have BETTER things to work on than trying to stop UCM.. like makeing sure Decal even works at all... it's horribly inefficient right now and is in Alpha still... When we get NVS done and get Beta over with and have time to work on "features" THEN maybe we can talk about trying to once again deter UCMing.


Then again... Decal Devs are not the AC police. Turbine needs to step up and do their part. There's a lot of people both Anti-UCM and Pro-UCM that would agree with me that Decal should NOT be policing AC.

You've admitted that acming and ucming have hurt the game.


You could also admit that buffbots, autolooters, and etc have hurt the game.


Doesn't it pain you to watch people use your software to "hurt" the game? Or did you misspeak (or did I misunderstand you) when you said that.


I don't understand where you are coming from. You provide software that can be used, eventually, to violate the rules and hurt the game. Why not do everything in your power to ensure that your plugin can't be used to harm the game?


Because its not your responsibility, but Turbine's? If you like the game and see that there is harm being done to it, I would think you'd of of put some check and balances in decal a long time ago.


Or are you just using smoke and mirrors and giving us the common politically correct responses?

The current "owner" for Lifetank posts around here all the time (moderator isn't he). Why not tell the bozo to crack down on ucming? Why hasn't he? Why is he using your software to help people ucming....which in your words...hurts the game.


I better, at least pretend to be working. Be back tomorrow.

Decal is code and has nothing to do with the COC.


Since ACM is not against the COC then there is no argument toward drakier to do anything about blah blah blah....


Envoys are allready non filterable through decal from what I have heard (don't know if its true).


What else can the decal devs do to stop UCMing?


what?


Some of you extremist Anti Macroers just put such a lame tilt to the boards sometimes..


What's funny is it is such a false expression of the community and people that actually exist in the game..


Do you play?

>> Envoys are allready non filterable through decal from what I have heard (don't know if its true).


That's not true. Decal is merely a layer that intercepts some messages and events and allows plugins to attach themselves to them. However, as plugins are actual programs, nothing prevents them from watching for events on their own without Decal's assistance.


Also, if I remember correctly, Decal did not specifically filter out envoy messages...instead, Turbine made envoy messages different and Decal chose not to add an additional catch to them.


What really did all this is the fact that the plugin developers voluntarily removed the alert systems from their plugins.

 

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Last comment of the day,


If, keyword of the day being IF, the anti-macro viewpoint "is such a false expression of the community and people that actually exist in the game", its because macroing has chased most of the non-macroers away.


Look at the #s 3 years ago, compared to today.


I have 3 uncles that left due to macroing. Most of my initial allegiance is gone. Much in part to macroing.


If 100 people bought the game today and somehow they all picked the same server.......why won't they do the shield of simulcra or Frore quests?


Because they'll find a patron that'll show them a buffbot, show them eltank/lifetank, and then the person skips the vast majority of the game. 2 months later (or quite possibly less) this new person will 275 and be whining about not enough high level content.


Decal needs to take some responsibility in the destruction of the game or at least apologize that they let (or contributed to) things get out of control.

:okes his head in::


Where do you people buy your drugs? I wish I could be so far removed from reality sometimes!

What really did all this is the fact that the plugin developers voluntarily removed the alert systems from their plugins.


That makes sense as well..


however I am not sure it's true...


You see the same guys that made LifeTankXI have made spies with a envoy alert..

That envoy alert only works when a envoy is uncloaked.


Either it was bad programming or there is something decal doesnt allow the plugins to see.


The message boards at LifeTankXI are pretty useless to the whole situation.


I didn't know...


either way there are simple alternatives that have nothing to do with decal which I will not discuss here.