If not Decal, it would be something else. As long as Turbine takes a weak stance on both player monitoring and the allowance of 3rd party utilities, and as long as people play the game, there will be UCMs. In my opinion, the best solution is to simply step up enforcement...but apparently that's just too expensive.

 

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"step up enforcement"


From my perspective, I would think that the makers of decal would distribute their software only if they knew they were doing everything in their power to prevent violations of Turbine's CoC through the usuage of their software.


Instead of taking the responsibility, it seems its always passed on to the 3rd party devs. and/or users of decal.


Doesn't the latest version have the ability to block plugins? Why not just block Lifetank until they can code their plugin so that people CANT ucm. 1 minute timer, 2 minute timer, random question every minute(i.e. what's the color of the sky).


Passing the buck has to stop somewhere. The root of the problem is having the ability to do it. If Turbine refuses to enforce the CoC (whether it be to lack of money, lack of manpower, or etc), Decal refuses to enforce the CoC, the 3rd party app makers refuse to enforce the CoC, and the end users refuse to abide by the rules.


Well, we have 4 parties contributing to the end user's violations...not just the end user.

So you guys just sit around and let the game crumble around us?

Part of the issue is trying to determine if someone is UCM'ing or ACM'ing. ACM'ing is not against the CoC but UCM'ing is against the CoC. How can you tell the difference?

 

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Lurcher: you're misunderstanding a LOT of fine details here.


1) Decal cannot ban plugins that don't want to be banned. That's not what the mechanism is for. That was never it's intended purpose and it would fail miserably if we tried.


2) Decal cannot prevent someone from UCMing because we cannot detect that kind of stuff. It would take countless hours of coding time to get ANYTHING possible to ANYTHING relating to a "UCM" disable or ban.


3) We have more important things in Decal to work on ... such as resource efficiency issues.


It's not Decal's fault that plugin developers wrote plugins which are against the Decal Code of Ethics. Ultimately, it is the users of those plugins however which don't seem to respect authority or care that they are breaking the rules, and it is Turbine which are at fault for not enforcing their rules. We (as Decal Devs) cannot enforce Turbine's rules. It is not our department. We make Decal. We make Decal work. We provide a programming interface for plugin developers with a set of guidelines to follow.


Ultimately it is up to everyone else how they use it and Turbine to enforce their own rules.

Its pretty simple. Like when you find a level 275 in the 80+ Olthoi Armor dungeon, fellowed with a low level person who is sitting at the entrance of the dungeon. You say hello to the 275, you offer the 275 tapers, you offer him plat. scarabs, you offer him your first born child.


No response from either the person sitting there at the entrance or the guy making the xp. Not even a laugh at the first born child type joke.


What's a level 275 doing down there, aside from making the lower level some free xp? Well he's getting plenty of salvage and loot. Which floods the market. So, guesstimating that the UCMer is in the dungeon 8 hours while the person is sleeping or at work, he's probably pulling roughly 30 to 50 bags of salvage and any double minors, majors, rares, or low ws weapons. Which in turn he sells in the marketplace, which in turn pretty much reduces the prices in the marketplace (supply and demand), which in turns screws over the guy that worked 2 weeks to get that bag of Jet that he wants to sell.


So don't even try to use the arguement that ucming doesn't hurt others.

Ok Ok..


Lets see here lets go back in history and look at macro's..


The First Macro people were using back in 01 was AC Tool.


Basically first people made a few simple scripts that would cast war over and over again while standing on the rock the acid stone olthoi dungeon for atlan weapons.


Then people got a little more creative and started figuring out how to monitor the health, stamina and mana via AC Tool and created some drain macros.


Then you had the AC Script come along the first thing that allowed you to build js and vb script based macros/scripts to do different things (mostly macro before it was against the COC). You see for the first 4 years of Asheron's Call macroing was ok and actually it was invited by some of the devs at turbine. Then much disputing happend and you had the Muslims and buddist that were formed.


This whole thing became religion like at that point.


The evil macroing muslims were terrorists and needed to be erradicated but the true nature of the buddists was an inspiration.


Somehow open conversation and representation was sorta squashed throughout time of the macroing muslims but somehow they were about 50% of the player base even as the whole religous tizzy dwindled onto other adventures (left AC) the ratio stayed the same.


If anything the evil macroing muslims were in the majority.


Now having said the above silly analogy lets talk a little more normal.


After AC Tool and AC Script came *Decal*..


It did not take long before there were drain macros for decal..


Then came Life Tank (spyk) and El Tank (El Garl).


Both of which had envoy alerts..


Life Tank had it built in with IRC remote capabilities which no longer exists and Elgarl had made a plugin called just whistle that lasted for a while until he changed his mind and everyone was sharing it.


People dont come to the boards here to say they UCM because they dont want to argue but me well I'm the type that truely doesnt care..


All you anti UCM blah blah blah religious people are really silly talking about kicking people in the balls as if there is a real life attatchment to your frustration. That's pretty silly. It reminds me of holy war fighting over God. Now that makes alot of sense..


Hey lets all fight over my God and you fight over your God and lets kill each other in the proccess..


btw..


I'm Christian


and most of your are probably athiests/agnostic (could be wrong).


Your the one who has all this high horse morals for a video game standard rule accompanied by a button pushed when playing?


Come on now.. really put things in perspective..


If your stupid enough to get caught then dont look at the the TV or take a Pee. If your smart enough to by pass decals little way of trying to get rid of envoy alerts recently then that means you know what you are doing just dont leave the house or your dumb.


Just because I dont adhere to some specific rules based on a distant relationship to what we commonly associate to as authority and choose to be yeah whatever Im going to the bathroom doesnt mean you are any more justified in your "moral" than my "moral".


It's just a difference of perspective and thats all it will ever be..


LOL it's like when Steve Jobs said everyone that pirates music is going to hell.


The above statement is some serious authoritive morally decided statement when the authority behind it is backed with no authority on the matter.


So your interpretation of what is right or wrong in this matter of some "COC" seems a bit flawed other than some basic way of saying that I am going to get in trouble for being how I am. However you know and I know that neither will happen. Even if I were to get banned I dont care.... I mean come on.... this game is 7 years old.. I actually play it because there is some plugin/development surrounding it.


You will never ever ever get rid of UCM.


It will always be 50% atleast of the player base.


Thats just the way it is..


Live with it.

who was trying to make the arguement that ucming doesn't hurt others?

^That's usually a common arguement of ucm/acm apologists.


vision,


You're correct in that UCMing will never cease to exist. There will always be someone that doesn't care about others, think they are superior than others, or simply doesn't care to follow rules.


Its fairly obvious reading some of your posts that you enjoy the thrill of UCMing, over the actual game play. The risk of being caught? The thrill of seeing what the plugin has achieved when you've come back to your computer(s)?


There will always be people like you in society, whether that be virtual or everday life. I sincerely hope your attitude towards this game isn't reflective of your viewpoints in real life. Its destructive.


Being a christian tells us nothing, aside from the fact that you could very well likely be a pedophile priest.

<< ^That's usually a common arguement of ucm/acm apologists. >>


Was that directed at me?


I was simply asking a question who was making that argument?


I agree that UCM and ACM both hurt the game.. you won't get any argument there from me... but it was a legitimate question.

<< So don't even try to use the arguement that ucming doesn't hurt others. >>


Who was making that argument? I was stating that it is impossible for Decal to tell if someone is using a plugin for ucm'ing or acm'ing, period.

 

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