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MT_Gouru  3 stars
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Churi-ya posted:

Ok - is there a self buffing program that would meet the user agreement of Find It? Even were I to use it with Lifetank - Lifetank is "capable" of UCM, therefore even were I to use it to solely buff, that would be a violation of the....


Wait a minute....


Whatever DID happen to one of the main motivations of there being a Decal in the first place? Giving players an opportunity to enjoy our game as they see fit.


Never mind, one of the key reasons Elgar's had it in the first place.


It's not that anymore, is it?


Sorry, I digress - also - are there any other buff bot programs out there that will allow the baning of another persons armor reliably?


Might as well go cold turkey now, rather than find myself suddenly unable to provide bots at the mansion or hunt the way I have come to enjoy. Once Turbine fully realizes Elgar's history they'll intionally borq something, ensuring El Tank breaks as soon as possible. Do I know this? Nope. But, I am a firm, staunch advocate of Murphy's Law.



Einstein It! does self buffing, and so does Buff Me and Castaway. Any of these programs are valid for use with any of the It! programs. Castaway bane's other peoples armor using the same techniques that El Tank did, so that works for buff bots.


To my knowledge, allowing people to play AC as they see fit was NEVER a major motivation for Decal development. Not even a minor motivation. The major motivation is to provide a development base that developers can use to create plugins that improve user interface and to provide some core functionality (i.e. trade bots) that do not exist in the base AC client. Unfortunately, the same functionality that allows many of the 'good' uses, also allows combat macroing, which virtually all decal devs are against. We have NEVER had a 'Turbine be damned, we're gonna play the way we want' mindset.
Maddy_ACEDL  3 stars
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<< Whatever DID happen to one of the main motivations of there being a Decal in the first place? Giving players an opportunity to enjoy our game as they see fit. >>


First, it isn't out game it is Turbine's game. Second I don't recall that ever being one of the main motivations of Decal, especially if you are breaking the CoC.

 

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Niarlan  1 star
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Along with the naming of plugins for functions....what does UST'ing these days besides EL-Tank...


/e wish's that UST would come back....


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Maddy_ACEDL  3 stars
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Find It! can ust for you via DHS. Assign a hotkey and easy to ust things you have picked up.

 

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muneman  1 star
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I have a few suggestions.


1. Don't change Decal and Eltank wont break. I don't see the need for updating decal when it works just fine.

2. ElgarL, you said Eltank is your baby so wouldnt you want everyone to continue to enjoy it's use. If Eltank broke, I know your capable of fixing it very quickly. Seems if it breaks you wont fix it out of principal, and I don't understand that.
Crelic_MT  2 stars
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Honestly, Decal doesn't work "fine". There is ALWAYS room for improvement


If I remember right, they are still using a "hacked up" DirectX6 code to work with the new AC Client that uses DirectX9. This tends to be very inefficient. Also, I'm sure you remember memory leaks, slowdowns, crashes, and so on.


Decal is a great program, but it does need work and they're trying their best to make it better. Unforchunately those changes to make things more efficient and compatible will more than likely break ElTank. I'm 90% sure it'll break Lifetank good, so god knows what it'll do to EL.


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Ashake  1 star
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I would say it could be remotely possible that Elgar could be watching reactions to his announcement as well, and making a final decision in the near future. The reason I mention this is there is NO mention of this at all on the Tank forums - and I'd certainly think a "final" announcement of this nature would surely be posted there of ALL places!


CR, with all due respect, it would be great if you could incorporate more user friendly interfaces into LT if that is what we'll be left with for a buffing/"finding" type of plug. I'm sorry, but it is not the most user friendly in the world to set up - which is why many don't care for it!

 

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Churi-ya  2 stars
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Thank you Gouru -


Muchos appreciated.


And to restate, perhaps more clearly at least part of what I meant.


Turbine has been looking for ways to eliminate UCM in AC for a long, long time now. Many of the recent Turbine/Decal Dev co-operative changes to some of the plug-ins, the sudden departure of one of the Elder Gods of Plug-In development, the addition to the game of Ninjas VERY capable of killing a dumb macro - etc, are the most extreme measures I have seen in my 6+ years of playing this game - towards this goal.


Too late.


In my humble and relatively unimportant in the overall AC Scheme of Things opinion, extreme actions such as these should have been taken when UCM "ruined" the game years ago, not now, in it's humble twilight.


But - who knows, maybe this will get a few people to come back, seeing how Turbine, once and for all, seems serious enough to do whatever it takes to stop UCM.


And - along those lines - as to Borqing El Tank. Please follow my logic here. There are QUITE a few UCM enthusiasts that rely on El Tank for their CoC breaking needs. Quite a few who when they go to play an archer or melee don't like how Lifetank works for them. This same gourp, however large or small they are will continue to utilize El Tank as they see fit until such time it no longer functions. Therefore, logic dictates that something needs to be changed on a fundamental level, or even something simple, who knows (I certainly don't) - a change done BY Turbine - which would require Elgar to go in and fix something on El Tank to make it work again. Since Elgar will not be doing this, Turbine will effectively eliminate a percentage, however large or small of those who utilize El Tank for UCM. If I were serious about killing UCM, and were Turbine, and knew the developer of one of the main plug-ins which will allow it has left, then, I wouldn't hesitate to invest in the time required to tweak something just enough during the next monthly prop to kill it off. That's what I meant to say.

 

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ffxiplaya
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Is there a plugin that will replace the buffbot feature? I have a bot setup for a small monarchy of mine, and it helps for my friends to just get buffs from the bot when I'm at work during the day. Most of the plugins I've seen require you to be there to click a button to buff someone. Any suggestions? Thanks.
Al-Egre_Arn
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First off, I would like to thank ElgarL for all his hard work. I've been using Tank for a long time to self-buff. Ever since ToD and the discontinued work on certain plug-ins, I've also been using it for the Navigation, Loot Tracking, Monster Tracking, and Buffbot capabilities. Now I guess, I'll have to find multiple plug-ins to replace his great plug-in.

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