<< bottom line here is they are cowing to the anti macro crowd, >>


Or they are trying to be respectful towards the rules of the game as set by Turbine.

 

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Isn't it amazing how many that are sooooo upset don't ucm?


SL

OOO.o Crelic you act like your the only one that works and goes to school. I'll get your a little violin to play.

 

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I understand you are debating the issues behind the scenes. I understand you are quite busy in real life. So until you have time to complete your debate, could you please restore the log on detect feature until the debate is over?


I have not played AC in days and am having withdrawl.

"Or they are trying to be respectful towards the rules of the game as set by Turbine."


when UCM was not against the rules i did not see any anti macro person be respectful towards the rules. i just saw a lot of people complaining. you cant have it both ways. also show me where in the "rules" it says having a plugin that logs you on death, alarms when a envoy messages you / shows up is against the CoC of the game ??? there isnt any . only thing that is against the rule is to UCM , and even with out all those options stripped people can and will UCM using this plugin. those options dont even make that big of a difference to someone that is UCM. how does not letting someone log out after death on a white server make it any more difficult to UCM ?? it just doesnt heck on a white server i could careless if i logged out after death or stayed in game , the only people that will get Griefed are the people still in the fellow with me losing the xp share im taking in the fellow.


most people who ucm are in larger active guilds , guilds which have a person or two that know how to compile a source with minor changes to run right along LT. again these changes do nothing but "good PR" towards the 3-4 anti macro people that log in once a month .

 

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<< when UCM was not against the rules i did not see any anti macro person be respectful towards the rules. >>


You missed me then. I stated that I thought that it was bad overall for the game don't I didn't knock anyone for UCM'ing at that time.

 

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this thread is getting stupid.


if ppl want to pay 13 dollars a month to go from lvl 1-275 without ever playing the game or knowing where arwic is,then let them. it's not like they are bothering anyone except the ppl that dont even play anymore.


maybe the thrill of the game that they are paying for is dodging the ban stick,who knows. let the program have as many features as it can hold,let the users decide how they want to use it,and let the envoys do thier jobs.

 

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^ Agree with the above poster. Is UCM really even an issue anymore? I feel like I took a time machine and went back a few years seeing this heated debate and the LT devs reasoning behind altering LT to "prevent UCM."


This was only an issue when there was 1 of each dungeon, and the good xp dungeons were limited resoruces that were fiercely competed over. Now, if u want to hop on the static spawn leveling treadmill (and most manual players dont as there are many other better places to hunt where u get both loot and xp) u get 3 EOS, 3 POTB, and many other good xp dungeons. if you want to kill olthoi in EO or Lugians in PotB 99% of the time u will be able to find an un-macroed, unhunted spot in 1 of the dungeons where u can find all u can handle. So why are we screwing up features of a program that hundreds of people enjoy, to try to appease a small handfull of zealots whos presence or cause barely exists anymore?


Turbine has done a great job striking a balance in regard to the issue, and do a good job enforing the rules as any good company will do. they know people enjoy macroing so put in a strict CoC which gives them the freedom to enforce it as harshly as need be if abuse is rampant, but in reality take a more lenient approach, mainly going after those that are disruptive to other players. They know, that if they took it to the extreme and were harsh in regard to combat macros they would lose many more accoutns then they would gain, and since no business is in the business of losing money they wisely take a more reasonable approach. If some1 is reported they are almost always tested. if they are truly UCM, they get banned plain and simple. Seen it happen many times. 3 strikes and your out, its an effecient effective system that makes every1 happy.


All the LT changes do is screw up fellowships for people who are actually at the keyboard.. especially on white servers. You certainly arent hurting the guy at the lifestone in any way, as he would have received the same 0 xp whether he was logged off and out of the fellow or dead at ls.


This is not a "cause" for most people, and most people dont give a rats ass what others are doing as long as it doesn't effect them. It's hard enough to find a nice productive fellowship with a dwindling server population, why throw crap in the mix that makes it even more difficult.


Now a fellow leader has to watch the fellowship tab like a hawk, monitor fellows death messages, vitals, and take do "ucm" checks so he can remove some1 who is unattended? jeez that sounds tedius.. and like a job you should almost be paid for it.. if only there were people to perform that task.. oh yeah, there are.. ENVOYS!


Let turbine do their job, stop removing features from the program you were entrusted to maintain, let people decide how they want to play, and let turbine enforce their rules as they see fit.

 

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Nicely said Reeve^. Agree ever with every bit of it.

as if anyone cares about your opinion that UCM'ing isnt an issue, it is against the CoC so IT IS AN issue.

 

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