Keep any further posts regarding my plugin and not regarding how it could be used in a rule breaking manner. You made comments and I made a respone. It's done. You showed your point, I showed mine. Frankly, I don't care if you think it's a bad plugin and shouldn't be allowed. Keep it off my thread.

 

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very cool

 

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Thank you.

 

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Same as it ever was, Same as it ever was. Live in sin come on in.

This thread isn't about ELTank, LifeTank, or Warbot... if it were, I'd point out the same issues. This thread is about YOUR plugin, which is why I'm directing my comments toward it. You can't reasonably assume that since I speak out about yours but not them (in a thread dedicated to your plugin) that somehow I'm implying that it is OK in the other plugins, but not in yours. It doesn't work that way.


You're awfully defensive over something you claim isn't wrong. Only people I know who are that defensive are the ones that are guilty of something. Not trying to imply you're guilty, but perhaps you should slightly adjust your defensive stance. I wasn't being offensive in my post... simply pointing out how this plugin (in my opinion) really has no merit EXCEPT to people who plan on breaking the CoC, or people who currently are.


When I see a red dot come into view, I press Shift+ESC. I don't need a macro to log out for me. It is called "being attended". As I said.. if your plugin simply gave textual warnings, but performed no action, I really wouldn't have any issues with any of the features. But the fact of the matter is, your plugin fully automates all the features that the UCM are plugins missing. It has very little merit outside of this except perhaps SOME of the PVP elements, which could easily be modified to in no way automate or compliment a UCM plugin.


Case in point.. where would ANYONE who is attended need a plugin to log in for them, and in addition to that, press CTRL+F1 to start the macro? If someone is attended, they can log in themselves and start the macro themselves.

The same place somebody who is attended and would need a macro to do ANYTHING for them. Why would anybody need a program to kill for them, loot for them, salvage for them, buff for them, ID items for them, ANYTHING. The reason is the same for all of these things. So that you don't have to do it yourself. You can sit there with AC going on the top of your screen and watch a movie on the bottom, and as long as you can see the AC going, you're not breaking any rule. You sit there watching your movie, you see an envoy there, you respond. somebody comes by, you log off, wait, log in, resume macroing. Don't have to pause what you're doing at the bottom of the screen. All of this is not against the CoC, because you are attended and able to respond when needed. I was told straight up from an Envoy giving me a UCM test that as long as I can see all of the AC screens and actively respond when needed, I am not breaking any rule. He said I can macro 6 accounts if I want to, as long as I can respond and control all of them IF needed.


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Last I checked, these are public forums, and this forum is about plugin/utilities development. That said, being a public forum, you're going to get comments and opinions whether you want them or not. You can't exactly tell someone to "GTFO".


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"Why would anybody need a program to kill for them, loot for them, salvage for them, buff for them, ID items for them, ANYTHING"

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I dunno.. that's a good question. A couple of words come to my mind, but none of them are good, so I won't say them.


I can tell you're one of those "read between the lines" kinda people. You go by the strict letter of the law, and potentially look for every exploit imaginable to get through the system in a way that benefits you, but because it's not specifically stated as "wrong" then it's OK, right? It's not about the "spirit" of the law, or what was intended by the rules... it's all about getting it cheap/free, and not getting caught.


It doesn't matter that the rules are in place as-is because Turbine cannot enforce a "no combat macro" rule considering there is absolutely no way to determine if a player is "Combat Macroing". All they can do is tell if the user is there or not. That is why the CoC only specifically outlines "UCM" and not all "Combat Macroing". Nevermind that Turbine doesn't want people Combat Macroing at all, and that they've made repeated attempts (very poorly might I addd) to specifically stop people from Combat Macroing. Because Turbine cannot enforce a "No Combat Macroing" rule, the CoC is as it is now.


But this isn't a debate about "why" people do it, or whether or not "Combat Macroing" is acceptible or not. That's a moral and ethical debate that has been hashed out so many times, and always comes back to personal opinions, family situations, and up-bringing. Some people feel that being lazy and getting things for free is perfectly OK because that is how they were raised. Others feel that you have to work at what you want, and that one person getting something for "free" is unfair and wrong. Regardless of your side of the issue, your plugin does nothing but assist macros to fully automate them, including login/logout. We all know that your little "Again, as long as you are attended and don't use this plugin to break the CoC or ToS, it is allowed." line is just so you can keep the thread here and not have it deleted for being a UCM aide.

Hmm.

I wouldn't care to remove the death alarm. That's a dang good idea.


And I'd value Drakier's opinions to be quite honest. I takes a keystroke for him to shut this down and have it burn in flames before it gets off the ground. Remember, he is a head developer with Decal.. he can control what does and does not run.


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SOMEBODY GIVE THIS GUY A MEDAL, HE IS A GENIUS. I was told by a mod to say to not use the plugin for UCM, so that's what I did. Stop crying about it.


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The way you worded that statement almost implies you lied to us just so you would get your thread....

C

 

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