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Ah-Schoo
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combat_mage_sc
Title: Hi. My name is Combat and i'm an alcoholic.
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Registered: 2001-7-20 21:19:21
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Are your natives all alcoholics like ours?
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DunesVladHarkonnen
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combat_mage_sc posted:
Are your natives all alcoholics like ours?
Well to tell you the honest truth as a kid I believed this.
As I got older and learned a little bit about life on the Reserves and the poverty and lack of opportunities, I begin to understand why kids with nothing to do who get paid money monthly could/would turn to substances. The 'Elders' who run the Reserve are basically corrupt in every way shape and form, they are in it for the $$ and don't care about their people. And our government only pays you your monthly cheque if you live on the Reserve...so it's a self-propagating problem that no one wants to address.
Hell, my friend went to teach on a Reserve and she was blown away by how little the kids there know. They do not have proper education, so their kids lag behind, and if they want to finally leave the reserve they can't because they can't compete with the rest of the world. I believe she was asked to leave because she was rocking the boat saying the system wasn't doing the kids justice and they needed to address the disparity.
So yes, a large portion of the Native population has substance problems, but I've known a lot of Natives in my years (grew up and live near Indian reserves) and there are some really cool people who escaped the Reserve and lead productive lives. I don't know anyone who lived on the Reserves and still lives there that hasn't fallen into a rut or that I've basically lost track of.
The system we have in place here doesn't work, but it's political suicide to venture down the 'Reserves aren't working' system so nothing changes.
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myxomatosis8
Title: amateur zookeeper
Posts: 800
Registered: 2001-7-14 23:45:21
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DunesVladHarkonnen posted:
combat_mage_sc posted:
Are your natives all alcoholics like ours?
Well to tell you the honest truth as a kid I believed this.
As I got older and learned a little bit about life on the Reserves and the poverty and lack of opportunities, I begin to understand why kids with nothing to do who get paid money monthly could/would turn to substances. The 'Elders' who run the Reserve are basically corrupt in every way shape and form, they are in it for the $$ and don't care about their people. And our government only pays you your monthly cheque if you live on the Reserve...so it's a self-propagating problem that no one wants to address.
Hell, my friend went to teach on a Reserve and she was blown away by how little the kids there know. They do not have proper education, so their kids lag behind, and if they want to finally leave the reserve they can't because they can't compete with the rest of the world. I believe she was asked to leave because she was rocking the boat saying the system wasn't doing the kids justice and they needed to address the disparity.
So yes, a large portion of the Native population has substance problems, but I've known a lot of Natives in my years (grew up and live near Indian reserves) and there are some really cool people who escaped the Reserve and lead productive lives. I don't know anyone who lived on the Reserves and still lives there that hasn't fallen into a rut or that I've basically lost track of.
The system we have in place here doesn't work, but it's political suicide to venture down the 'Reserves aren't working' system so nothing changes.
I think that in a nutshell he's saying yes, because their life f'in blows.
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DunesVladHarkonnen
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myxomatosis8 posted:
I think that in a nutshell he's saying yes, because their life f'in blows.
Pretty much. not all, but a lot of them, yes.
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myxomatosis8
Title: amateur zookeeper
Posts: 800
Registered: 2001-7-14 23:45:21
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DunesVladHarkonnen posted:
myxomatosis8 posted:
I think that in a nutshell he's saying yes, because their life f'in blows.
Pretty much. not all, but a lot of them, yes.
I know one guy who's smart, awesome, really involved in stuff, has a real job, eductation... needless to say he got out before it was too late. He's told me that most of the kids he works with now are on a sad path, he tries to steer them as much as he can away from the dysfunction...
I'm just jealous that my buddy bought a house and car TAX-FREE. 
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JD_HOGG
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Registered: 2008-3-18 08:04:21
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I wonder who the Swedes screwed over, you know, besides Minecraft players.
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jungalist
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Registered: 2001-8-25 10:21:58
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myxomatosis8 posted:
DunesVladHarkonnen posted:
combat_mage_sc posted:
Are your natives all alcoholics like ours?
Well to tell you the honest truth as a kid I believed this.
As I got older and learned a little bit about life on the Reserves and the poverty and lack of opportunities, I begin to understand why kids with nothing to do who get paid money monthly could/would turn to substances. The 'Elders' who run the Reserve are basically corrupt in every way shape and form, they are in it for the $$ and don't care about their people. And our government only pays you your monthly cheque if you live on the Reserve...so it's a self-propagating problem that no one wants to address.
Hell, my friend went to teach on a Reserve and she was blown away by how little the kids there know. They do not have proper education, so their kids lag behind, and if they want to finally leave the reserve they can't because they can't compete with the rest of the world. I believe she was asked to leave because she was rocking the boat saying the system wasn't doing the kids justice and they needed to address the disparity.
So yes, a large portion of the Native population has substance problems, but I've known a lot of Natives in my years (grew up and live near Indian reserves) and there are some really cool people who escaped the Reserve and lead productive lives. I don't know anyone who lived on the Reserves and still lives there that hasn't fallen into a rut or that I've basically lost track of.
The system we have in place here doesn't work, but it's political suicide to venture down the 'Reserves aren't working' system so nothing changes.
I think that in a nutshell he's saying yes, because their life f'in blows.
The depression and substance abuse has a lot more to do with the effects of the Residential School system than just a crappy life. The Canadian Government mandated the solution to "The Indian Problem" as forced assimilation and removal (in effect a genocide) of all native culture. Native children were taken from the parents, stripped of their cultural identifiers (long hair, traditional clothing and pastimes, etc) and raised/schooled in an extremely abusive institutional environment.
This is just a brief summary, but the effects of this system on the shaping of current Native issues is pretty widely documented. Sadly it is also pretty widely ignored by most Canadians.
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DunesVladHarkonnen
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jungalist posted:
The depression and substance abuse has a lot more to do with the effects of the Residential School system than just a crappy life. The Canadian Government mandated the solution to "The Indian Problem" as forced assimilation and removal (in effect a genocide) of all native culture. Native children were taken from the parents, stripped of their cultural identifiers (long hair, traditional clothing and pastimes, etc) and raised/schooled in an extremely abusive institutional environment.
This is just a brief summary, but the effects of this system on the shaping of current Native issues is pretty widely documented. Sadly it is also pretty widely ignored by most Canadians.
Again, not our finest (and ongoing) moment.
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Banelord_FF
Title: Cunstrukshen Werker
Posts: 321
Registered: 2002-1-3 14:33:41
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-Ducky- posted:
Natives and the French.
What is wrong with screwing over the French?
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