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NeoKarnak  2 stars
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ikkoikki posted:

To be fair, I can get much more information with my smart phone than I can in most class rooms these days.


Teachers should be less boring, maybe then kids might pay attention



You can also get an infinite amount of BS and without a proper education, you'll treat it as gospel.

 

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ikkoikki  4 stars
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Being a teacher is rather easy but it takes talent to be a good teacher. I've had way more bad teachers in my life than good ones.

I just had one of the best teachers I've ever had in my life last semester, a logic teacher who managed to keep the class engaged, entertained and very receptive. Then I've had a ton of horrible teachers who were boring, or utilizing poor teaching methods or were just bad for various other reasons.

Students are expected to perform well with no excuses but the ability of the teacher does tend to matter quite a bit, people don't talk about it much though.

 

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NeoKarnak  2 stars
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ikkoikki posted:

Being a teacher is rather easy but it takes talent to be a good teacher. I've had way more bad teachers in my life than good ones.


I just had one of the best teachers I've ever had in my life last semester, a logic teacher who managed to keep the class engaged, entertained and very receptive. Then I've had a ton of horrible teachers who were boring, or utilizing poor teaching methods or were just bad for various other reasons.


Students are expected to perform well with no excuses but the ability of the teacher does tend to matter quite a bit, people don't talk about it much though.[/quote]


Are you serious? That's ALL they talk about these days.


I personally like to see parent report cards. I'll bet if government assistance was tied to how well your kid does in school (as well as their attendance), many, many parents would be more involved in their kid's education.


As it is, if parent-teacher conferences were casino nights, I'd make a fortune because about 90% of the time, kids with poor grades have parents who are either clueless about their kid, are walking disasters due to drugs or don't hold education in high regard because they weren't raised to do so.

 

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ikkoikki  4 stars
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People seem to talk about teacher inability more from a political level, they use it as an opportunity to attack the teachers union and the Democratic party mostly. That's not the kind of thing I was talking about.

If your child came to you with a bad grade and blamed the teacher, I know what my parents reaction would be. They wouldn't buy that excuse, they'd put it all on me. I was raised that way, in my family there's no such thing as bad teachers, only poor effort from the student.

 

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ikkoikki  4 stars
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Then again, in k-12 school there is often an element of insubordination from kids. I know in my high school there were teachers that the kids didn't respect and terrorized habitually, often unfairly.

If a teacher can't control their classroom and can't beat a cellphone in a game of "who commands more attention", it usually is at least partly their fault.

 

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NeoKarnak  2 stars
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ikkoikki posted:

Then again, in k-12 school there is often an element of insubordination from kids. I know in my high school there were teachers that the kids didn't respect and terrorized habitually, often unfairly.


If a teacher can't control their classroom and can't beat a cellphone in a game of "who commands more attention", it usually is at least partly their fault.



I'll agree with that.

 

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Akza  2 stars
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NeoKarnak posted:

I personally like to see parent report cards. I'll bet if government assistance was tied to how well your kid does in school (as well as their attendance), many, many parents would be more involved in their kid's education.



Actually that sounds pretty interesting. I wouldn't necessarily do attendance because some kids might have some special circumstances (sick a lot, etc). If the kid misses school but puts in the effort for good grades, then attendance should be somewhat irrelevant.

But the teachers would start getting death threats from the conservative inbreds because their snowflakes are wastes of oxygen and threaten to kill the teacher if they dont raise the kid's grades. Any time you put someone between a welfare case and their money, shit can go south easily.

Still think it's a sweet idea though. Just hard to normalize grading because some teachers are super lame with grades and some give everyone A's because they even bother to show up.

 

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NeoKarnak  2 stars
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Registered: 2009-12-21 18:31:34
Akza posted:

NeoKarnak posted:

I personally like to see parent report cards. I'll bet if government assistance was tied to how well your kid does in school (as well as their attendance), many, many parents would be more involved in their kid's education.



Actually that sounds pretty interesting. I wouldn't necessarily do attendance because some kids might have some special circumstances (sick a lot, etc). If the kid misses school but puts in the effort for good grades, then attendance should be somewhat irrelevant.


But the teachers would start getting death threats from the conservative inbreds because their snowflakes are wastes of oxygen and threaten to kill the teacher if they dont raise the kid's grades. Any time you put someone between a welfare case and their money, shit can go south easily.


Still think it's a sweet idea though. Just hard to normalize grading because some teachers are super lame with grades and some give everyone A's because they even bother to show up.



Yep, changes would have to be made before anything like that was implemented. You could reduce/eliminate threats by taking it out of the teachers' hands via standardized grading across the state (tough to do).


Criteria for parent grades:


Attendance at parent conferences

Child grades

Child unexcused absences

No responses (due to apathy or bad phone numbers) to teacher-initiated communication

Failure of students to bring back signed documents

(Optional) Amount of participation in school activities.

 

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Chogram  3 stars
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While you guys are circlejerking this idea... allow me to impose some real world logic on you.

Criteria for parent grades:

Attendance at parent conferences
I work from 7am to 3:30pm. Conferences usually end at 4 and there are a lot of parents to fit into a very small time frame meaning
that I either have to take a vacation day or just hope that if my child is bad enough you'll send home a note.

Child grades
A student who struggles with grades may be just as much the schools fault(bullying or a bad teacher) as the parents. If you have
an inattentive teacher and a student who gets his *** beat during recess you may be punishing the wrong people.

Child unexcused absences
They already do this. Your child misses too much school(edit: I had work here?) they redo the year.

No responses (due to apathy or bad phone numbers) to teacher-initiated communication
I hope you plan on calling me during your personal after school hours because if you call me at work and it's not
an emergency I'm likely going to hang up on you.

Failure of students to bring back signed documents
Because no kids have ever hidden those or thrown them away

(Optional) Amount of participation in school activities.
Like what? Your kids's concerts or those ignorant fundraisers that the PTO hold
every other damn month? Some of us would rather spend our short times at home with the
kids instead of around 1000 unruly children and teachers.
If my kid is performing I'll be there, but I'll be damned if I'm going to waste my time at Trick or Trunk or "Pay $10 for a hotdog" night.
Kriegprojekt  3 stars
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Registered: 2010-4-12 13:06:28
What the Hell is a "cellphone"?

 

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