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Albdestroyer  2 stars
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Registered: 2006-9-24 21:06:19
JD_HOGG posted:

-Rando- posted:

ikkoikki posted:

Maybe he's a team cancer and a ball hog, but the Knicks' problem run much deeper than Melo. They're a terrible franchise, with a terrible FO and a terrible coach, and terrible depth and no chemistry.

George Karl does seem very happy to be well rid of Melo though, he's loving his new team, he probably finds them much more coachable.



Yeah, but there's just very few instances where an all star and supposed "franchise player" leaves one team for another, and the team he leaves plays better, while the team he joins plays worse. I mean, one side of it has happened before, leading to Bill Simmon's "Ewing Theory."


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1. A star athlete receives an inordinate amount of media attention and fan interest, and yet his teams never win anything substantial with him (other than maybe some early-round playoff series).

2. That same athlete leaves his team (either by injury, trade, graduation, free agency or retirement) -- and both the media and fans immediately write off the team for the following season.



But I've never seen the 3rd part of it, which is that the new team the star players goes to actually gets worse.



Maybe it doesn't happen in basketball, but I saw it happen to the Orioles when they paid a huge sum to get Albert Bell.



It happens to the Cubs too. Nearly every player they get!
a_bloke  1 star
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ikkoikki posted:

The MVP isn't awarded based on who the best player in the league is.



How valuable was Rose when Lebron made him virtually invisible during the ECF?
Albdestroyer  2 stars
Posts: 484
Registered: 2006-9-24 21:06:19
averaging 29 ppg is making a player invisible?
ikkoikki  4 stars
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Registered: 2009-2-8 10:34:47
a_bloke posted:

ikkoikki posted:

The MVP isn't awarded based on who the best player in the league is.



How valuable was Rose when Lebron made him virtually invisible during the ECF?



The MVP is a regular season award

Derrick Rose owned Lebron during the regular season, whupped the Heat's ass 3 straight times and took the Bulls to the #1 seed

 

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JD_HOGG  4 stars
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Registered: 2008-3-18 08:04:21
Albdestroyer posted:

averaging 29 ppg is making a player invisible?



Derrick Rose performance

Game 1: 28 points
Game 2: 21
Game 3: 20
Game 4: 23
Game 5: 25
__________

Avg: 29 points!! DA BULLS!
Albdestroyer  2 stars
Posts: 484
Registered: 2006-9-24 21:06:19
meh, my bad. I googled it and took it for truth.

Still, I don't know how you can make the argument that D rose wasn't the MVP because of his performance in the ECF, when lebron was worse in the finals.
ikkoikki  4 stars
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Registered: 2009-2-8 10:34:47
Why are we even talking about this, this was last year. It's in the past.

Lebron isn't going to win MVP this year either, he can't even take his team to the best record in the East. He's allegedly the best ball player in the world on a team with the second best ball player in the world plus an all star and he can't even get the best record.

MVP is going to Durant.

 

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Albdestroyer  2 stars
Posts: 484
Registered: 2006-9-24 21:06:19
Even if Durant deserves it, I think it'll go to a player in a bigger market.

just my opinion.
a_bloke  1 star
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Albdestroyer posted:

meh, my bad. I googled it and took it for truth.

Still, I don't know how you can make the argument that D rose wasn't the MVP because of his performance in the ECF, when lebron was worse in the finals.



My argument was his performance specifically against lebron. Anyone who watched that series knows the stark difference in Rose's game after Lebron was matched up with him 1 on 1 in man defense.
ikkoikki  4 stars
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Registered: 2009-2-8 10:34:47
Again, MVP is a regular season award...it has nothing to do with the post season.

 

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