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-Mithan- Title: VNBoard Admin
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Catholic Church pushes to deny contraceptives, in opposition to 98% of US Christians |
levgre posted:
So Christians are going crazy because Hospitals, Schools, Colleges, etc. are being mandated to have their health insurance cover contraception, despite religious objections. The reasoning is a judgement by the Institute of Health, which states "...birth control is not just a convenience but is medically necessary “to ensure women’s health and well-being.â€"
Yet 98% of sexually active Christians in the US use contraceptives, so who's religion exactly are they fighting for?
Not to mention Birth Control and other contraceptives are not only used to prevent unwanted births.
"One recent Georgetown law graduate, who asked not to be identified for reasons of medical privacy, said she had polycystic ovary syndrome, a condition for which her doctor prescribed birth control pills. She is gay and had no other reason to take the pills. Georgetown does not cover birth control for students, so she made sure her doctor noted the diagnosis on her prescription. Even so, coverage was denied several times. She finally gave up and paid out of pocket, more than $100 a month. After a few months she could no longer afford the pills. Within months she developed a large ovarian cyst that had to be removed surgically — along with her ovary."
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/30/health/policy/law-fuels-contraception-controversy-on-catholic-campuses.html?_r=1
I could see not covering abortion because so many Christians are opposed to it. But in the case of contraception, you have a few higher ups in the church refusing basic medical access to the majority, both Christians and non-Christians alike.
It doesn't say anywhere in the Bible not to use Contraceptives.
As for the Catholic Church, f*** it. The Catholic Church broke away from the original church because they wanted to control Europe's political future, half their popes had mistresses, they launched bogus wars that killed millions, lied to people about how if they gave money they could get out of a make believe purgatory, etc, etc. Basically, for about 800 years, it was nothing more than a money racket.
I will say this:
Anybody who is against contraceptive use is a complete and utter idiot.
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Banelord_FF Title: Cunstrukshen Werker
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The OP did an excellent job trolling ACF only to get trolled later in the thread.
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Fozzie_Bear Posts: 2,490
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ikkoikki posted:
Yeah well 98% of Christians aren't Christians at all, they're faux-Christians who only pretend to be Christians when its convenient but sin like crazy whenever the they fancy.
My work colleague never has sex, and has a girlfriend who he won't live with and won't have sex with until they're married. THAT'S a christian.
I agree about fair weathered Christians.
Good thing their religion isn't a democracy or the might impeach the pope.
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Date Posted:
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Catholic Church pushes to deny contraceptives, in opposition to 98% of US Christians |
levgre posted:
Primates didn't use toothbrushes or treat infections, either. Using even the 19th century as a measurement of what is "medically necessary" is retarded.
What does that have to with birth control? Their statement doesn't make sense given the fact that only abstinence can guarantee no bodily fluid exchange. And again, how is it that for millions of years primates advanced their species to the point of being the dominate species on the planet without contraceptives if sex is so dangerous?
Here is the simple politically incorrect fact, contraceptives are a luxury. You can only elevate them to a requirement if the goal is causal sex on demand that is reduced risk of consequences. If you accept their claim that it is a medical necessity for women then the same rational holds up for men who have a requirement for sex for their health and well being.
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Cawlin Posts: 1,759
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Catholic Church pushes to deny contraceptives, in opposition to 98% of US Christians |
Humanity has wrestled for centuries with sexuality and all the social, moral, and emotional implications of it. Sexual stigma and strife have driven more conflict and angst on the level of individuals than any other single issue for humanity.
One of the primary reasons for much of this turmoil is the moral issues surrounding it. It's no surprise that the early church, when it vied for power and control over the masses as a political rather than spiritual institution focused on sex as a means of control. Given that recreational, non-procreative sex is such a fundamental part of our makeup, if you control this aspect of humanity, you indeed control a lot.
Normal, healthy, sexuality is one key to normal, healthy human beings. Forcing every sexual encounter to become a risk of pregnancy is not only stupid policy, it is a vector to exert control. It becomes a means by which you enforce unnecessary consequences as a deterrent to behavior that you want to control.
The catholic church has never given up on their desire for this control and of course the inability of its leaders to control their own sexuality should be an indication of just how unhealthy their preoccupation with this sort of control over humans is. Truly, it's ironic to me.
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levgre Posts: 606
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Catholic Church pushes to deny contraceptives, in opposition to 98% of US Christians |
Aerlinthian posted:
levgre posted:
Primates didn't use toothbrushes or treat infections, either. Using even the 19th century as a measurement of what is "medically necessary" is retarded.
What does that have to with birth control? Their statement doesn't make sense given the fact that only abstinence can guarantee no bodily fluid exchange. And again, how is it that for millions of years primates advanced their species to the point of being the dominate species on the planet without contraceptives if sex is so dangerous?
Here is the simple politically incorrect fact, contraceptives are a luxury. You can only elevate them to a requirement if the goal is causal sex on demand that is reduced risk of consequences. If you accept their claim that it is a medical necessity for women then the same rational holds up for men who have a requirement for sex for their health and well being.
I guess you didn't even read the paragraph that gave one example of many possible examples where contraceptives are used to treat serious medical issues completely unrelated to pregnancy prevention.
If you don't understand how animal species advance despite dangerous sex/reproduction, all I can say is you have a grade schooler's knowledge of science at best. Some animal species have 100% fatality rates after birth. Primates and other mammals have a significant risk of death from child birth, as humans we do not even accept a fraction of a % of risk. In your absolute ignorance you don't realize that all a species requires to advance is a positive growth rate.
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levgre posted:
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Fixed for accuracy
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levgre Posts: 606
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Brother_Tempus posted:
levgre posted:
*This post would like those scientists who developed the tech and theory and an early working model for the internet before it was confiscated and used by government
Fixed for accuracy
It's amazing how your delusional mind works. You'll make up any crap needed to maintain your dogma.
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JD_HOGG Posts: 2,846
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levgre posted:
The Bible does not contain scripture which bans the use of birth control. Nor could the writers have foreseen and taken into account (effective) condoms and birth control pills back then.
Genesis 38:9-10 posted:
And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also.
Sounds like God got pretty pissed when he shot his load on the ground. I can't imagine that God would dig on condoms.
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Rhodoman Posts: 1,397
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All the more reason for the government to be out of the health insurance industry.
Rho
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