Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
Catholic Church pushes to deny contraceptives, in opposition to 98% of US Christians
Brother_Tempus posted:
levgre posted: . But in the case of contraception, you have a few higher ups in the church refusing basic medical access to the majority, both Christians and non-Christians alike.
Now you know how most us feel about what government does when it suppresses our basic liberties
Retard compares denial of medicine to denial of liberties while calling for the end of universal health care and education.
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Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
Catholic Church pushes to deny contraceptives, in opposition to 98% of US Christians
-Abysmal- posted:
Jezza_Belle posted: I figure, if there really is an omnipotent god, that he has created the ability to cure disease and protect reproductive health through the use of drugs. Since these things are designed to prolong life, they can't be of the Devil, which is all about destroying life.
yet many who have taken the wonder pill found themselves unable to conceive.
there are many things that cause infertility, and secondary infertility as well. You still have to consider what is best for YOU in any case. Just because god says its ok to kill pain doesn't mean you should take an entire bottle of tylenol either.
contraception is not just a pill, it's many devices and drug options.
but still, you don't know that those people weren't already unable to conceive.
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
Catholic Church pushes to deny contraceptives, in opposition to 98% of US Christians
Jezza_Belle posted:
-Abysmal- posted:
Jezza_Belle posted: I figure, if there really is an omnipotent god, that he has created the ability to cure disease and protect reproductive health through the use of drugs. Since these things are designed to prolong life, they can't be of the Devil, which is all about destroying life.
yet many who have taken the wonder pill found themselves unable to conceive.
there are many things that cause infertility, and secondary infertility as well. You still have to consider what is best for YOU in any case. Just because god says its ok to kill pain doesn't mean you should take an entire bottle of tylenol either.
contraception is not just a pill, it's many devices and drug options.
but still, you don't know that those people weren't already unable to conceive.
OH so that's what happens...people naturally became infertile even though the contraceptive had a side effect of infertility.
i dont know that they wont get hit by a bus either...
could you imagine if a drug company took that stance?
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Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
Catholic Church pushes to deny contraceptives, in opposition to 98% of US Christians
-Abysmal- posted:
Jezza_Belle posted:
-Abysmal- posted:
Jezza_Belle posted: I figure, if there really is an omnipotent god, that he has created the ability to cure disease and protect reproductive health through the use of drugs. Since these things are designed to prolong life, they can't be of the Devil, which is all about destroying life.
yet many who have taken the wonder pill found themselves unable to conceive.
there are many things that cause infertility, and secondary infertility as well. You still have to consider what is best for YOU in any case. Just because god says its ok to kill pain doesn't mean you should take an entire bottle of tylenol either.
contraception is not just a pill, it's many devices and drug options.
but still, you don't know that those people weren't already unable to conceive.
OH so that's what happens...people naturally became infertile even though the contraceptive had a side effect of infertility.
i dont know that they wont get hit by a bus either...
Like I said, they have to take personal responsibility for what is best for them.
if I put a drug in my body for 20 years and expect that it's not going to have any kind of side affect, I'd be effing stupid.
Now take into consideration how likely it is that those women who were on birth control for 10 or 20 years before they decided to start a family, were with just one person, or were they likely with multiple partners that could have easily given her HPV that affected her reproductive health? Since the HPV test is only recently been developed, and it's a disease that comes resolves itself on it's own in most cases. There might not be any trace of it by the time the woman decided to stop taking the pill and have a baby.
You see, 10 or 20 years is a long LONG time for lots of other things to go wrong that their contraception really had nothing to do with, but of course is blamed for it because they can't be personally responsible for their own actions.
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
Catholic Church pushes to deny contraceptives, in opposition to 98% of US Christians
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Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
Catholic Church pushes to deny contraceptives, in opposition to 98% of US Christians
so basically drug trials, side effects, research beyond desired effect, the FDA...on and on...are completely useless when speaking in the name of religion and personal responsibility.
so why do we have them?
how can people possibly sue for anything drug related?
10 years is a really easy target, hell 15 even is easy.
funny as i type i hear the news reporting a contraceptive recall.
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Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
Catholic Church pushes to deny contraceptives, in opposition to 98% of US Christians
ikkoikki posted:
JoAyanami posted:
ikkoikki posted: Says who? Cuz I know Jesus has several quotes in the bible where he strongly suggests that actions alone will guarantee man a spot in heaven.
Ephesians 2:8-9 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God - not by works, so that no one can boast.
-Jo
That's why I said there's disagreement amongst theologians, the bible apparently is unclear on the matter
"ou see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone," James 2:24
" . . . so also faith without works is dead," James 2:26
"In case some one of your brothers becomes poor among you in one of your cities, in your land that Jehovah your God is giving you, you must not harden your heart or be closefisted toward your poor brother. For you should generously open your hand to him and by all means lend him on pledge as much as he needs, which he is in want of... You should by all means give to him, and your heart should not be stingy in your giving to him, because on this account Jehovah your God will bless you in every deed of yours and in every undertaking of yours. For someone poor will never cease to be in the midst of the land. That is why I am commanding you, saying, 'ou should generously open up your hand to your afflicted and poor brother in your land." Deuteronomy 15:7
"My brothers, what use is it for a man to say he has faith when he does nothing to show it? Can that faith save him? Suppose a brother or a sister is in rags with not enough food for the day, and one of you says, 'Good luck to you, keep yourselves warm, and have plenty to eat', but does nothing to supply their bodily needs, what is the good of that? So with faith; if it does not lead to action, it is in itself a lifeless thing." James 2:14
James 2:14-26 14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,†but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.â€
Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.
20 You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless[d]? 21 Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,â€[e] and he was called God’s friend. 24 You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.
25 In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? 26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.
Works are the evidence of faith. Once saved God expects believers to start growing in Christ's likeness and bearing good fruit, works. Works aren't what save but rather are the evidence that one has been saved and that God is working through them. As such faith without works is a bit like an apple tree in an orchard of apple trees that bears no fruit. It might still be an apple tree but it's certainly not showing it by it's actions. The tree is useless.
-Jo
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
Catholic Church pushes to deny contraceptives, in opposition to 98% of US Christians
Jezza_Belle posted: Like I said, they have to take personal responsibility for what is best for them.
if I put a drug in my body for 20 years and expect that it's not going to have any kind of side affect, I'd be effing stupid.
Now take into consideration how likely it is that those women who were on birth control for 10 or 20 years before they decided to start a family, were with just one person, or were they likely with multiple partners that could have easily given her HPV that affected her reproductive health? Since the HPV test is only recently been developed, and it's a disease that comes resolves itself on it's own in most cases. There might not be any trace of it by the time the woman decided to stop taking the pill and have a baby.
You see, 10 or 20 years is a long LONG time for lots of other things to go wrong that their contraception really had nothing to do with, but of course is blamed for it because they can't be personally responsible for their own actions.
Timothy 2:12
I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[a] she must be quiet.
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ou see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone," James 2:24