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purplehugmonkey  2 stars
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Registered: 2005-5-16 18:42:03
He should.

The republican clowns on the stage atm only serve to create a stronger contrast between him and the crazies.

I don't agree with all of his decisions(effing pipeline anyone?), but at this point he's the only one up for the job that is even speaking like a reasonable human being. The Romney cover band robot has memorized America the Beautiful and is currently performing on tour courtesy of his filthy richness, and Gingrich looks and acts like purified evil just waiting to get his grubby little paws on the reins. It's difficult to imagine who the running mate will end up being. If it's a Romney/Trump ticket I will just begin assuming that I am in the malfunctioning matrix.

 

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First of all, I don't think we can afford another term from Obama. His staggering addition to our debt will be felt by many generations to come. He is one of the most divisive Presidents we have had in some time and we simply can't tolerate that. He is a poor leader as well, preferring to create super-committees and then decrying their findings. He blames any and everyone but himself for anything negative and seems delusional about the realities we face. Kind of reminds me of Steve Jobs and the reality distortion field he was so famous for maintaining.

He is admitting now that being the President is harder than he thought. He accused Bush's request for a credit increase as a failure of leadership and only now admits that a Senator is in no position to understand the complexities involved. This was, of course, true but he only said it to divert any accusations of his failed leadership. He had free reign the first 2 years with a majority across the board and did little more than extend many of Bush's more onerous bills. Oh yeah, he managed to saddle us with a health care bill we will not be able to sustain. The true sign of it's epic fail was when a member of congress was quoted that we had to pass the bill to figure out what was in it.

Now, the true problem is the conservatives are bringing nothing better to the table. We have a crap sandwich in one hand and a urine shake in the other, not much of a choice to be frank. So pick your poison, the known Libtard in the office or the Conservatard that wants the job.

 

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Ungabhunga  2 stars
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Where's Jack Ryan when you need him?

 

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_Gimpzilla_  1 star
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Tai-Daishar_MT posted:

First of all, I don't think we can afford another term from Obama. His staggering addition to our debt will be felt by many generations to come. He is one of the most divisive Presidents we have had in some time and we simply can't tolerate that. He is a poor leader as well, preferring to create super-committees and then decrying their findings. He blames any and everyone but himself for anything negative and seems delusional about the realities we face. Kind of reminds me of Steve Jobs and the reality distortion field he was so famous for maintaining.

He is admitting now that being the President is harder than he thought. He accused Bush's request for a credit increase as a failure of leadership and only now admits that a Senator is in no position to understand the complexities involved. This was, of course, true but he only said it to divert any accusations of his failed leadership. He had free reign the first 2 years with a majority across the board and did little more than extend many of Bush's more onerous bills. Oh yeah, he managed to saddle us with a health care bill we will not be able to sustain. The true sign of it's epic fail was when a member of congress was quoted that we had to pass the bill to figure out what was in it.

Now, the true problem is the conservatives are bringing nothing better to the table. We have a crap sandwich in one hand and a urine shake in the other, not much of a choice to be frank. So pick your poison, the known Libtard in the office or the Conservatard that wants the job.



If anything you just said was actually true you'd have a pretty good point.

 

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Registered: 2001-12-20 14:54:40
.-Vega-. posted:

Balance the budget - Fail

Transparency in congress - Fail

Broadcasting important legislative hearings on public television - Fail

Bring home our troops from Iraq - Took 3? 4 years?

No more financing for new offshore drilling - Fail

But on the bright side, at least Obama signed an act that effectively ended the Bill of Rights by allowing government to indefinitely detain citizens without due process



The biggest issue by far IMO. Economies go up and down but restrictions on liberties and suspension of rights should scare everyone. For some reason it's not.
Fozzie_Bear  4 stars
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-Rando- posted:

-Abysmal- posted:

Obama was certainly ambitious in promising to eliminate lobbyist from the white house, but when he started looking at the list of qualified people to nominate for cabinet positions and for positions within his administration, I think he got a reality check on how deep the corruption (which we in the US know as "politics" goes).



yeah cuz I'm sure the time between 1997 and his election as President where he was serving as a Senator for the same area of the country that handed us Rod Blagojevich... nah, not even gonna finish it

 

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regulator_cracka  4 stars
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cumbat posted:

he is black


 

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Arc_DT  2 stars
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Registered: 2002-5-28 08:25:51
-Abysmal- posted:

sure he has done things, but i dont recall killing bin laden nor ghadaffi in his campaign.


Bin Laden was. He promised to stop ignoring him as Bush had and redouble our efforts on Al Qaeda. What do you suppose that meant? Capture or kill, which were the precise parameters of that mission.

 

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Arc_DT  2 stars
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Registered: 2002-5-28 08:25:51
.-Vega-. posted:

Balance the budget - Fail


He never promised this.


.-Vega-. posted:

Transparency in congress - Fail


Given that the president has ABSOLUTELY NO POWER TO DO THIS, I doubt he promised this, either.


.-Vega-. posted:

Broadcasting important legislative hearings on public television - Fail


There's some quibbling over definitions and details here, but I'll grant you this one.


.-Vega-. posted:

Bring home our troops from Iraq - Took 3? 4 years?


He got it done within his first term, and he never promised anything faster.


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No more financing for new offshore drilling - Fail


The US is currently producing more crude than at any time in history, and out biggest manufactured export is actually *refined gasoline*. You don't hear about that on RWN radio because they can't get their non-union janitors to clean up the mess after the hosts' heads asplode.


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But on the bright side, at least Obama signed an act that effectively ended the Bill of Rights by allowing government to indefinitely detain citizens without due process


I'm not happy with it, but like everyone else, you have the details wrong: only the president has the authority to do this, and only for very specific and high-level classes of national enemies. Being a citizen who is a card-carrying member of Al Qaeda who's planning to suicide bomb a shopping center is insufficient grounds for indefinite detention in this provision, even off of US soil.

I'm not happy with any level of indefinite detention without charge, but I apply that to all enemy combatants, not just US citizens within US borders. Bush classified them as "enemy combatants" so he wouldn't have to give them preferential treatment that POWs get under the Geneva Convention, but he failed to realize that enemy combatants by legal definition are entitled to trial. I'm extremely disappointed that Obama has failed to either correctly classify these prisoners or to grant them the right to trial to which they are legally entitled.

 

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Banelord_FF  2 stars
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Registered: 2002-1-3 14:33:41
Arc_DT posted:

.-Vega-. posted:

Balance the budget - Fail


He never promised this.


He promised some cuts but never a balanced budget. He has failed at anything even resembling fiscal responsibility


Arc_DT posted:

.-Vega-. posted:

Transparency in congress - Fail


Given that the president has ABSOLUTELY NO POWER TO DO THIS, I doubt he promised this, either.


He did not promise transparency in Congress, but he did make several promises regarding a transparent administration and he has failed more than he succeeded at this.


Arc_DT posted:

.-Vega-. posted:

Broadcasting important legislative hearings on public television - Fail


There's some quibbling over definitions and details here, but I'll grant you this one.


There is still C-Span but this is really not a very important issue since the average person doesn't have the attention span to sit through a hearing where our elected officials are speaking more to hear themselves speak than actually saying anything of substance. I can't knock Obama for this.


Arc_DT posted:

.-Vega-. posted:

Bring home our troops from Iraq - Took 3? 4 years?


He got it done within his first term, and he never promised anything faster.

The troop withdrawal was negotiated while Bush was still in office so Obama had nothing to do with this success except honor the previous administrations agreement with Iraq.


Arc_DT posted:

.-Vega-. posted:

No more financing for new offshore drilling - Fail


The US is currently producing more crude than at any time in history, and out biggest manufactured export is actually *refined gasoline*. You don't hear about that on RWN radio because they can't get their non-union janitors to clean up the mess after the hosts' heads asplode.

The US still does not produce enough oil to meet its needs, the Oil companies are just importing oil that is not going to be used in the US, refining it, and then exporting it to other countries. The US still has to import nearly 50% of the oil it needs. http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=36&t=6


Arc_DT posted:

.-Vega-. posted:

But on the bright side, at least Obama signed an act that effectively ended the Bill of Rights by allowing government to indefinitely detain citizens without due process


I'm not happy with it, but like everyone else, you have the details wrong: only the president has the authority to do this, and only for very specific and high-level classes of national enemies. Being a citizen who is a card-carrying member of Al Qaeda who's planning to suicide bomb a shopping center is insufficient grounds for indefinite detention in this provision, even off of US soil.

I'm not happy with any level of indefinite detention without charge, but I apply that to all enemy combatants, not just US citizens within US borders. Bush classified them as "enemy combatants" so he wouldn't have to give them preferential treatment that POWs get under the Geneva Convention, but he failed to realize that enemy combatants by legal definition are entitled to trial. I'm extremely disappointed that Obama has failed to either correctly classify these prisoners or to grant them the right to trial to which they are legally entitled.


If this were something Bush did, you'd probably be screaming bloody murder.

 

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