So we don't stop until we've killed off everything else and most/all of ourselves?

 

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species come and go. how insightful. we should all listen to the brilliant republican who understands ecosystems.

No but that falls in line with my point about extremes. Believe me, I am totally on board with the concerns about chemical toxins and others. But choking off farm land over any thing isn't working either.

If you want to start with a real sustainable development plan, the only way is to limit population growth to zero.

EVERYTHING ELSE IS BULLCRAP.

I have the credentials to make this assertion.

 

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Never been a Republican yet. Or a Democrat.

if aerlinthian keeps changing the subject, he might make it out of topics he can't google and can't talk about and into ones he can. like.... conspiracies?

The Wall Street Journal’s Max Boot has referred to this CWA-EPA-Army Corps axis as “The Wetlands Gestapo” for very good reason. In every state of the union, small landowners have faced bureaucratic nightmares when some federal or state agent suddenly showed up and said their property contained protected wetlands -- whether wet or dry. And typically these landowners have entered no-exit mazes of bureaucratic red tape running on for years and years, and even decades, of extremely costly permit-seeking and legal proceedings, vainly seeking to exhaust all available “administrative remedies” so that their cases might become ripe for seeking takings compensation. Meanwhile, they were paying taxes on land they could not use.

The best example of the naked power behind the CWA surfaced in Maine, where Gaston Roberge owned a 2.8-acre commercial lot which he had allowed the town to use to dump fill. When he tried to sell it for his retirement the Corps charged him with having an illegally filled wetland. In the subsequent legal discovery process, an internal Corps memo was located recommending “Roberge would be a good one to squash and set an example” in order to create a climate of fear among landowners and developers.

While most victims suffer “only” substantial monetary losses and the loss of the use of their land, others have fared far worse. James Wilson, a Maryland developer, created some wildlife ponds on his land and was found guilty of violating the CWA and sentenced to 21 months in federal prison and fined $4 million. In Florida, Ocie Mills and his son each spent 21 months in prison for filling a dry ditch with clean building sand in order to construct the son’s personal home.

Perhaps the most notorious case was that of John Pozsgai who had escaped Communist Hungary in 1956 to live in the land of the free. He purchased property in Pennsylvania for a home and to build a truck repair shop. He cleaned up part of the land and a storm-water drainage ditch, removing an illegal dump containing more than 5,000 old tires. The tire-filled ditch had flooded during heavy rains. Yet the Feds considered it a stream, declared the dump removal a CWA violation, and Mr. Pozsgai was fined and imprisoned, serving one and a half years in federal prison, another year and a half in a “halfway house,” and then five years of supervised probation. The family was forced into bankruptcy and his daughter is still vainly attempting to gain Mr. Pozsgai a presidential pardon.

 

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how did we get here, my title says humans. nobody wants to talk about chemicals linked to disease after disease?

i would like to know specifically how those people got sent to jail. that article doesn't seem to like crucial details... source, hyper?

I can tell you a personal story, where an agency refused to review my permit application even after I got clearance from the Corps of Engineers, and then sent their own inspectors three per day, and asked the Corps to personally fine me 15k per day, which they refused since they already would have approved my permit excepting for the one agency that refused to do their job and review it.

I think I pushed them over the edge when I asked for the pics from their inspectors, since we couldn't afford to send one out there everyday.

I was replacing an existing boat ramps and all the environmental stuff that would have been required was on the plans and put in place.

The issue wasn't pollution the issue was generating the fine.

 

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Any other brilliant thoughts you can provide?

No wonder your country is such a mess.

 

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