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So Obama wants to raise tri-care medical costs for military members from 100%- 345%. |
Ptilk posted:
The military has to be cut, both in manpower and in overhead. It's insane how much we spend on the military in this country. Totally insane.
If you are trying to make a partisan issue out of this, give up. It isn't. No matter who is in power in DC, cuts are going to be made. You can get a bit partisan about where those cuts are made and how they go about them if you want. We found out during the Bush years in the middle of a couple of wars where Republicans will cut them. They cut benefits, raised costs to service people, attempted to destroy the VA health care system, and let our injured soldiers come home to roach infested beds.....and then they increased spending more than they cut it. Much more.
Democrats are much less likely to cut benefits drastically. Not because they are better or care more about the military....they aren't and they don't. They simply can't get away with doing as much as Republicans can, because no matter how Republicans screw over people in the military, their supporters keep waving the flag and screaming USA USA USA.....Democrats try that crap and they get their stupid asses handed to them.
to prevent this we will wage wars with countries like Iran then North Korea and eventually countries like Valenzuela or Nigeria.
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Fozzie_Bear  Posts: 2,490
Registered: 2001-12-20 01:43:43
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So Obama wants to raise tri-care medical costs for military members from 100%- 345%. |
Ptilk posted:
The military has to be cut, both in manpower and in overhead. It's insane how much we spend on the military in this country. Totally insane.
If you are trying to make a partisan issue out of this, give up. It isn't. No matter who is in power in DC, cuts are going to be made. You can get a bit partisan about where those cuts are made and how they go about them if you want. We found out during the Bush years in the middle of a couple of wars where Republicans will cut them. They cut benefits, raised costs to service people, attempted to destroy the VA health care system, and let our injured soldiers come home to roach infested beds.....and then they increased spending more than they cut it. Much more.
Democrats are much less likely to cut benefits drastically. Not because they are better or care more about the military....they aren't and they don't. They simply can't get away with doing as much as Republicans can, because no matter how Republicans screw over people in the military, their supporters keep waving the flag and screaming USA USA USA.....Democrats try that crap and they get their stupid asses handed to them.
then quitcher bitchin and take your medicine VA boy.
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Gaevren Title: Wat do?
Posts: 1,181
Registered: 2004-9-15 09:29:36
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So Obama wants to raise tri-care medical costs for military members from 100%- 345%. |
Hyperimiator posted:
You know why we don't close so many military bases overseas.
Because the military men and especially those with dependents enjoy many privileges that they do not get if on US territory.
One example is medical care, if in the USA the dependents have to use civilian dentists and hospitals, but not when stationed overseas, there they get everything on base including the hospitals etc.
This is one (rather obscure) reason why this industry is draining us of our financial life blood, money.
The professional officers and enlisted men do not want to move back to the USA.
This is patently false. When we were in the military (which was not too long ago), the only way you got to use a civilian doctor/dentist/hospital was if there was not a military one nearby. Or if you had to see some kind of specialist that they didn't have on-base. Otherwise, you saw a military doctor or you footed the bill yourself. And yes I'm talking about dependents here. Civilian providers cost more than the military providers do.
Might have changed since then, but based on comments from other family members who are in military families, I don't think so.
If anything, people don't want to move back to the USA because most overseas locations are cool. That's it in a nutshell. Who wouldn't prefer Germany or Japan over someplace boring like Ft. Hood Texas or Ft. Benning Georgia?
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Gaevren Title: Wat do?
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Registered: 2004-9-15 09:29:36
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So Obama wants to raise tri-care medical costs for military members from 100%- 345%. |
Oh and I also wholeheartedly agree that cuts are needed, heck I think that the military, while important, is LONG overdue a SERIOUS overhaul. I mean a fundamental change in the way we recruit and operate. I have some ideas on that subject but no time to go into them now.
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NonOffensiveName  Title: Touching people in special places all day long
Posts: 830
Registered: 2001-10-7 19:39:14
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So Obama wants to raise tri-care medical costs for military members from 100%- 345%. |
Jezza_Belle posted:
NonOffensiveName posted:
Jezza_Belle posted:
NonOffensiveName posted:well no one forced them to sign up... I have alot of respect for the service men and women but you have to be smart and know that what you are going into and all the angles before you sign on that dotted line. If you dont think you can survive on your pay grade then maybe the armed services isnt for you. Some of the people who sign up for the military even now sign up just because they have no other option. Theyre too dumb or think theyre too dumb to go to college and/or they just want a free ride through the military. Thats not really the kind of person who would be typically ideal for the service anyways. But its the same reason that dead beats who work at dead end jobs like serving tables and then turn around and ask for an extra amount above what they are being paid in the form of a tip like they are entitled to it. At least most of the service men and women have paid their dues and have actually done something to somewhat earn it.
A lot of people see the military as stability, they'll always have a job, a roof over their heads, and a consistent paycheck.
so do people on welfare...lol
which proves you have no clue how welfare works.
oh yeah I do know how welfare works. And the sad thing is the people who LIVE for years and years and years actually study the welfare laws just so they can dodge anything that will interrupt their flow of cash. Usually that just stipulates them popping out baby after baby so they just get more and more government assistance even more than they need. Why do you think you see women hauling around 5-6 kids in a brand new cadillac and then you see them at the grocery check out lines paying with food stamps and goverment WIC coupons?
But sadly thats more research than most service men and women do. They think the military is just a big cash cow that will put them on easy street for the rest of their lives. And up until now it has been but not anymore. Its come down to the rub and the fat brass at the top you can believe wont change their style of living one bit. It will be the grunts out in the field who suffer the most with cheaply made armor and poorly constructed weapons. We have no one to blame but ourselves cause we are the ones who have let this government fraud and embezzlement of taxpayers money by politicians to go on for decades.
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Hyperimiator Title: Maximus Probus
Posts: 840
Registered: 2001-7-20 18:55:36
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So Obama wants to raise tri-care medical costs for military members from 100%- 345%. |
Gaevren posted:
Hyperimiator posted:
You know why we don't close so many military bases overseas.
Because the military men and especially those with dependents enjoy many privileges that they do not get if on US territory.
One example is medical care, if in the USA the dependents have to use civilian dentists and hospitals, but not when stationed overseas, there they get everything on base including the hospitals etc.
This is one (rather obscure) reason why this industry is draining us of our financial life blood, money.
The professional officers and enlisted men do not want to move back to the USA.
This is patently false. When we were in the military (which was not too long ago), the only way you got to use a civilian doctor/dentist/hospital was if there was not a military one nearby. Or if you had to see some kind of specialist that they didn't have on-base. Otherwise, you saw a military doctor or you footed the bill yourself. And yes I'm talking about dependents here. Civilian providers cost more than the military providers do.
Might have changed since then, but based on comments from other family members who are in military families, I don't think so.
If anything, people don't want to move back to the USA because most overseas locations are cool. That's it in a nutshell. Who wouldn't prefer Germany or Japan over someplace boring like Ft. Hood Texas or Ft. Benning Georgia?
What I stated is the principle reason the move from Okinawa to Guam isn't happening.
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JD_HOGG Posts: 2,846
Registered: 2008-3-18 08:04:21
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Hyperimiator posted:
Obama’s proposal would raise fees to match the BlueCross BlueShield Standard plan for federal employees.
OMG OMG OMG OBAMA SHOULD BE IMPEACHED!!!!!
The military is sacred cow which should have been slaughtered a long time ago.
It is driving this country into the poorhouse.
Federal employees get paid a bit more than military guys. Enlisted earn less than minimum wage when it comes down to it.
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Lothland  Posts: 194
Registered: 2004-3-8 02:11:56
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So Obama wants to raise tri-care medical costs for military members from 100%- 345%. |
JD_HOGG posted:
Hyperimiator posted:
Obama’s proposal would raise fees to match the BlueCross BlueShield Standard plan for federal employees.
OMG OMG OMG OBAMA SHOULD BE IMPEACHED!!!!!
The military is sacred cow which should have been slaughtered a long time ago.
It is driving this country into the poorhouse.
Federal employees get paid a bit more than military guys. Enlisted earn less than minimum wage when it comes down to it.
Then don't sign up?
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TheUnholyGhost  Title: Mr. Subtle
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Registered: 2000-4-4 13:21:40
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So Obama wants to raise tri-care medical costs for military members from 100%- 345%. |
Hyperimiator posted:
Over half the military cost is personnel, and those numbers are vastly increasing due to progress in our medical fields.
Less than 25% of the military budget is spent on personnel not "Over half". Quit talking out your ass.
Military members don't get to choose where they're stationed. They're given orders.
Force reduction can be done by reducing operating costs and waste. Not by screwing the soldier/sailor.
For the rest of you morons: "Don't sign up" works great until we're at war, or vulnerable. Don't be dense.
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Fozzie_Bear Posts: 2,490
Registered: 2001-12-20 01:43:43
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So Obama wants to raise tri-care medical costs for military members from 100%- 345%. |
TheUnholyGhost posted:
Hyperimiator posted:
Over half the military cost is personnel, and those numbers are vastly increasing due to progress in our medical fields.
Less than 25% of the military budget is spent on personnel not "Over half". Quit talking out your ass.
Military members don't get to choose where they're stationed. They're given orders.
Force reduction can be done by reducing operating costs and waste. Not by screwing the soldier/sailor.
For the rest of you morons: "Don't sign up" works great until we're at war, or vulnerable. Don't be dense.
well then we can draft if we need soldiers... that ALWAYS goes over well with the peacenicks
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