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Brother_Tempus
Title: Patriot
Posts: 985
Registered: 2001-1-9 08:07:00
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
Subject:
Intellectual Property
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Gibbon_raver posted:
Brother_Tempus posted:
Intellectual property is a coercive monopolistic privilege granted by the state, it can only exist under threat of force hence it is immoral becuase people must suffer for it to exist and be used.
It is slavery of knowledge, nothing more
You ad hominem fallacy is noted as well as your lack of any proof to disprove my statement
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Brother_Tempus
Title: Patriot
Posts: 985
Registered: 2001-1-9 08:07:00
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
Subject:
Intellectual Property
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Gibbon_raver posted:
Brother_Tempus posted:
Intellectual property is a coercive monopolistic privilege granted by the state, it can only exist under threat of force hence it is immoral becuase people must suffer for it to exist and be used.
It is slavery of knowledge, nothing more
You ad hominem fallacy is noted as well as your lack of any proof to disprove my statement
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Tipztoe
Posts: 1,775
Registered: 2004-3-1 17:53:43
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
Subject:
Intellectual Property
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Brother_Tempus posted:
Gibbon_raver posted:
Brother_Tempus posted:
Intellectual property is a coercive monopolistic privilege granted by the state, it can only exist under threat of force hence it is immoral becuase people must suffer for it to exist and be used.
It is slavery of knowledge, nothing more
You ad hominem fallacy is noted as well as your lack of any proof to disprove my statement
no need to call him a homo
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
Subject:
Intellectual Property
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Brother_Tempus posted:
Gibbon_raver posted:
Brother_Tempus posted:
Intellectual property is a coercive monopolistic privilege granted by the state, it can only exist under threat of force hence it is immoral becuase people must suffer for it to exist and be used.
It is slavery of knowledge, nothing more
You ad hominem fallacy is noted as well as your lack of any proof to disprove my statement
Other than the extremism of your opinion, since you presented a premise, then the burden of proof is upon you.
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Brother_Tempus
Title: Patriot
Posts: 985
Registered: 2001-1-9 08:07:00
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
Subject:
Intellectual Property
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Gibbon_raver posted:
other than the extremism of your opinion, since you presented a premise, then the burden of proof is upon you.
IP does not exist in nature like inalienable rights do, it is an artificial construct that lacks consent from all parties involved
This lack of consent means there must be a means to coerce all those who do not consent to accept the terms of the construct. The power of force is granted to the institution of government and so government is granted the power to grant and enforce IP through force [ ie imprisonment or wealth confiscation ]
Since this construct designates only one individual the rights to distribute the identified goods, it becomes a monopoly. This monopoly is immoral because it attempts through the use of force provided by the state to stop individuals from sharing knowledge amongst each other, thus enslaving the knowledge to just one master
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TickyAtack
Posts: 1,303
Registered: 2001-10-23 15:46:32
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
Subject:
Intellectual Property
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I, like BT, want communism of knowledge.
No idea will be our own, it will be shared evenly amongst the collective, as will any benefits of said ideas.
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TheUnholyGhost
Title: Mr. Subtle
Posts: 271
Registered: 2000-4-4 13:21:40
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
Subject:
Intellectual Property
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Working in IT, and for a major company, I knew before I signed my name on the dotted line that anything I create while being on the company's dime, is the company's property. They let us know every year in mandatory training.
It's the way it is. You don't like it? You don't have to work there.
In the healthcare, financial, and technology industries...there are reasons for this.
Intellectual communism just isn't feasible.
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Brother_Tempus
Title: Patriot
Posts: 985
Registered: 2001-1-9 08:07:00
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
Subject:
Intellectual Property
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TickyAtack posted:
I, like BT, want communism of knowledge.
No idea will be our own, it will be shared evenly amongst the collective, as will any benefits of said ideas.
In a free society their cannot be IP/Patents because as I showed in my arguments. However their can be copyrights since the copyright is a contract that the buyer may ir may mot consent to
The copyright us a contract I which the buyer consents not to copy/reproduce the work for the purpose of selling
to copy and hand out is not a violation of copyright since no money is changing hands.
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Tipztoe
Posts: 1,775
Registered: 2004-3-1 17:53:43
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
Subject:
Intellectual Property
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TheUnholyGhost posted:
Working in IT, and for a major company, I knew before I signed my name on the dotted line that anything I create while being on the company's dime, is the company's property. They let us know every year in mandatory training.
It's the way it is. You don't like it? You don't have to work there.
In the healthcare, financial, and technology industries...there are reasons for this.
Intellectual communism just isn't feasible.
It's the same here.
Also you have to disclose any other paid work you do outside of this place.
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Date Posted:
1/1/00 12:00am
Subject:
Intellectual Property
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Brother_Tempus posted:
Gibbon_raver posted:
other than the extremism of your opinion, since you presented a premise, then the burden of proof is upon you.
IP does not exist in nature like inalienable rights do, it is an artificial construct that lacks consent from all parties involved
This lack of consent means there must be a means to coerce all those who do not consent to accept the terms of the construct. The power of force is granted to the institution of government and so government is granted the power to grant and enforce IP through force [ ie imprisonment or wealth confiscation ]
Since this construct designates only one individual the rights to distribute the identified goods, it becomes a monopoly. This monopoly is immoral because it attempts through the use of force provided by the state to stop individuals from sharing knowledge amongst each other, thus enslaving the knowledge to just one master
I do not see any "proof" per se, simply more conjecture and hatred of the government. Of course, the above premise refutes the purpose of patents and protected ownership of ideas, designs and inventions. Since you deign to call laws immoral and the government as an enforcer of slavery, then any reasonable discussion of reality is unlikely at best.
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