TheUnholyGhost posted:
Wrong. I can marry a person of the opposite sex. Period. So can every other consenting adult in the United States.
We are not all born the same, but humans are generally hardwired to work a certain way.
Gay people are not "Born that way". That's the whole argument, and it's quite simply false. No child is pulled from the womb "gay". Sexuality isn't even introduced into the equation until puberty.
Your first analogy is ridiculous, because first it involves a prison where your life is regulated because a crime was committed, and secondly it involves death.
Are you suggesting that all gays are criminals? Or that if they don't get married to a gay partner they die?
For a proper analogy, let's go to someone with more than 2 brain cells to rub together.
Are you suggesting, that if Fatty McGee is compelled to eat 20 Big Macs a day, we should create a new law that says any person who has an eating disorder should be provided with free healthcare, double occupancy on airplanes, 20% off at the Piggly Wiggly, and any other law we can think up to make Fatty McGee feel special and protected?
No, you'd address his eating disorder. Not create new laws to excuse it.
TheNinthSeal posted:
You can marry a person that biology dictates you are attracted to.
Steve gay cannot marry the person he is biologically attracted to.
The same laws doesn't make it equal, because we are not all born the same. Some people, biologically, have a gluten intolerance. Let's say prisons serve the same past dinner every night, no substitutions. How can you call it equal treatment if some people are fine and some people die from it? Another example, you were born with no dick, it isn't fair to make you use the urinals like the other boys.
You can marry a person that biology dictates you are attracted to.
Steve gay cannot marry the person he is biologically attracted to.
The same laws doesn't make it equal, because we are not all born the same. Some people, biologically, have a gluten intolerance. Let's say prisons serve the same past dinner every night, no substitutions. How can you call it equal treatment if some people are fine and some people die from it? Another example, you were born with no dick, it isn't fair to make you use the urinals like the other boys.
Wrong. I can marry a person of the opposite sex. Period. So can every other consenting adult in the United States.
We are not all born the same, but humans are generally hardwired to work a certain way.
Gay people are not "Born that way". That's the whole argument, and it's quite simply false. No child is pulled from the womb "gay". Sexuality isn't even introduced into the equation until puberty.
Your first analogy is ridiculous, because first it involves a prison where your life is regulated because a crime was committed, and secondly it involves death.
Are you suggesting that all gays are criminals? Or that if they don't get married to a gay partner they die?
For a proper analogy, let's go to someone with more than 2 brain cells to rub together.
Are you suggesting, that if Fatty McGee is compelled to eat 20 Big Macs a day, we should create a new law that says any person who has an eating disorder should be provided with free healthcare, double occupancy on airplanes, 20% off at the Piggly Wiggly, and any other law we can think up to make Fatty McGee feel special and protected?
No, you'd address his eating disorder. Not create new laws to excuse it.
How is homosexuality a disorder?
And I am glad you are a scientist and know for a fact that it is not biological or bio-social, that clears things up. (for the record, you have no idea what you are talking about and have no facts to back up what you are saying, not to mention sexuality not manifesting until puberty is simply wrong)
But here is the real question, what part of homosexuality is a DISorder? It's bad because you don't like it? That doesn't make it a disorder. Because they can't have biological children? Then simply not wanting kids is a disorder.
My analogy was spot on if you can take into account that we are all forced by our birth to be here. My point, if you were, simply put, too stupid to see it, was that "same treatment" is not "equality." It's like making it illegal for boys to watch chick flicks because 'most NORMAL guys dont like them" and then calling it equality because ALL boys are banned.
I hate redheads, I HATE them. I have black hair, I am attracted to women with black hair, I think red haired women are revoltingly unattractive, as are blondes. If everyone was only allowed to marry someone with a different coloured hair that would be the same treatment for everyone, but it certainly is far more freeing for people who are interested in redheads and blondes to begin with, so it is THE SAME, but not EQUAL. No one is FORCING me to marry a redhead, it's just that I am not allowed to get with black haired girls because its not natural for the same types to get with each other.
See, you think my argument is weak because the crux is supposedly that gays are born that way, that's not my argument. I know your argument is weak, because it goes on the assumption that homosexuality is not natural and should therefore be illegal. Let's play devils advocate a bit here. Cars are not natural, medicine is not natural, a million other things we use everyday and have acceptance for are not natural. Yes, two bros could 'trick the system' by getting married for tax benefits. This is true, straight people do this all the time to get exotic women into the country. There is alot of straight fraud going on, and we have a system in place to take care of that. Computers can be used to commit all kinds of fraud, let's ban them too! At EVERY SINGLE corner, your argument gets weaker and weaker, nothing you says has even an ounce of pragmatism or reality in it, and when people see through this facade, there is nothing but a bigot underneath trying to string together sentences like he has a real point that has some real thought to it, but there isnt. It's just a bigot going "gays are icky, give them less rights."
So, answer two questions: Why is homosexuality a DISorder (no adverse health effects, no adverse mental effects unless you think it itself is a negative mental effect, but that is an absurd tautology [it's a bad thing because it's a bad thing]) The only thing negative about homosexuality is bigots like you. second question, why is does marriage have to be 'the opposite' sex? Why is that a good enough criteria for who gets married? because a real marriage has to involve a penis AND a vagina? A real marriage has kids on the horizon? Are you that stupid? I'll do you one better, list off all the things that makes a real honest marraige, and I guarantee that all of those things can apply to gay couples.
So, 2 questions. Why is homosexuality a disorder, and why (constitutionally speaking) should a legal marriage be only between a man and a woman?
You dont like it. That is what it all boils down to. Great. We get it. You dont like it, you think it's icky. Now, stop sitting at the big boy table and interrupting the adults while they are talking if all you really bring to the conversation is your unprocessed emotional reaction, that is what children do, and the number one thing all adults want children to do is shut the **** up.
/boggle
-Murron (truly)
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