Date Posted:1/1/00 12:01amSubject:
Do homosexuals have the right to fly the rainbow flag on military bases?
TheUnholyGhost posted:
TickyAtack posted:
TheUnholyGhost posted: Gay people have the same rights I have. They already have equal rights.
They don't have SPECIAL rights. No. No they don't.
Explain this to me. Please, just explain then.
You or I can get married in any state, or have some kind of civil union, which awards us certain benefits in the eyes of government. Gay people are prohibited from this in many states.
How is the same rights as you?
I, a heterosexual male, can't marry a man in any state I want.
Steve Gay, a homosexual male, can't marry a man in any state he wants.
I, a heterosexual male, can marry a woman in any state I want.
Steve Gay, a homosexual male, can marry a woman in any state he wants.
Same. Exact. Rights.
Nowhere in the marriage or civil union laws does it say that I have to "love my partner".
I could "marry" my college roommate for tax benefits in that case.
I don't see how that's complicated to understand.
You can marry a person that biology dictates you are attracted to.
Steve gay cannot marry the person he is biologically attracted to.
The same laws doesn't make it equal, because we are not all born the same. Some people, biologically, have a gluten intolerance. Let's say prisons serve the same past dinner every night, no substitutions. How can you call it equal treatment if some people are fine and some people die from it? Another example, you were born with no dick, it isn't fair to make you use the urinals like the other boys.
And there are plenty of bumper stickers making straight sexual jokes, do you see a woman driving with a bumper sticker that says "If yer riding my ass, you better be pulling my hair," and think to yourself 'she can do whatever she wants on her own time, just dont FLAUNT it like that.' Nope, you don't. Because you are a bigot, and when people do something you dont like you want it swept under the rug, pushed to the side. Not equally, but deliberately, based on your bias. You would really love to tell yourself that it is just HOW they do it, "Im not a bigot, they are just expressing it in a way i didn't like," bull. You are a bigot. Plain and simple.
Poit-Narf Title: Cleric of Juan Posts: 186 Registered: 2004-7-11 11:45:47
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:01amSubject:
Do homosexuals have the right to fly the rainbow flag on military bases?
Fozzie_Bear posted: they can do whatever regulations tell them they can do. if it says they can then they can.
its that simple
This. Why the hell is this an issue about rights?
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Date Posted:1/1/00 12:01amSubject:
Do homosexuals have the right to fly the rainbow flag on military bases?
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TheUnholyGhost posted: I, a heterosexual male, can marry a man in any state I want.
Steve Gay, a homosexual male, can marry a man in any state he wants.
I, a heterosexual male, can marry a woman in any state I want.
Steve Gay, a homosexual male, can marry a woman in any state he wants.
Exact. Same. Rights.
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TheUnholyGhost Title: Mr. Subtle Posts: 271 Registered: 2000-4-4 13:21:40
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:01amSubject:
Do homosexuals have the right to fly the rainbow flag on military bases?
TheNinthSeal posted: You can marry a person that biology dictates you are attracted to.
Steve gay cannot marry the person he is biologically attracted to.
The same laws doesn't make it equal, because we are not all born the same. Some people, biologically, have a gluten intolerance. Let's say prisons serve the same past dinner every night, no substitutions. How can you call it equal treatment if some people are fine and some people die from it? Another example, you were born with no dick, it isn't fair to make you use the urinals like the other boys.
Wrong. I can marry a person of the opposite sex. Period. So can every other consenting adult in the United States.
We are not all born the same, but humans are generally hardwired to work a certain way.
Gay people are not "Born that way". That's the whole argument, and it's quite simply false. No child is pulled from the womb "gay". Sexuality isn't even introduced into the equation until puberty.
Your first analogy is ridiculous, because first it involves a prison where your life is regulated because a crime was committed, and secondly it involves death.
Are you suggesting that all gays are criminals? Or that if they don't get married to a gay partner they die?
For a proper analogy, let's go to someone with more than 2 brain cells to rub together.
Are you suggesting, that if Fatty McGee is compelled to eat 20 Big Macs a day, we should create a new law that says any person who has an eating disorder should be provided with free healthcare, double occupancy on airplanes, 20% off at the Piggly Wiggly, and any other law we can think up to make Fatty McGee feel special and protected?
No, you'd address his eating disorder. Not create new laws to excuse it.
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:01amSubject:
Do homosexuals have the right to fly the rainbow flag on military bases?
TheUnholyGhost posted:
TickyAtack posted: Change:
TheUnholyGhost posted: I, a heterosexual male, can marry a man in any state I want.
Steve Gay, a homosexual male, can marry a man in any state he wants.
I, a heterosexual male, can marry a woman in any state I want.
Steve Gay, a homosexual male, can marry a woman in any state he wants.
Exact. Same. Rights.
So you agree that we have the exact same rights, currently. Good. That's all I wanted to hear.
Nowhere did I say that. You have the freedom/right to marry one you love. They do not. If they did, then everyone would still have the exact same rights, and no special rights would be in the equation at all like you apparently fear:
TheUnholyGhost posted: They don't have SPECIAL rights. No. No they don't.
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TheUnholyGhost Title: Mr. Subtle Posts: 271 Registered: 2000-4-4 13:21:40
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:01amSubject:
Do homosexuals have the right to fly the rainbow flag on military bases?
TickyAtack posted:
TheUnholyGhost posted:
TickyAtack posted: Change:
TheUnholyGhost posted: I, a heterosexual male, can marry a man in any state I want.
Steve Gay, a homosexual male, can marry a man in any state he wants.
I, a heterosexual male, can marry a woman in any state I want.
Steve Gay, a homosexual male, can marry a woman in any state he wants.
Exact. Same. Rights.
So you agree that we have the exact same rights, currently. Good. That's all I wanted to hear.
Nowhere did I say that. You have the freedom/right to marry one you love. They do not. If they did, then everyone would still have the exact same rights, and no special rights would be in the equation at all like you apparently fear:
TheUnholyGhost posted: They don't have SPECIAL rights. No. No they don't.
It doesn't say anywhere that I am required to love the person I marry.
Know what it does say? Opposite sex.
That same right extends to every single person in this country.
I don't fear gay couples getting civil union rights. In fact, I'm for it. What I fear is that it sets a dangerous precedent that we grant special priviledges for a behavior, but if it shuts them up, I'm for it.
Just don't cry when fatties and smokers get their own special rights to the detriment of everyone else in the entire country. And it's not just them. Once you open that door, special rights for a "protected class" (still a behavior), you get things like Affirmative Action that screws everyone for years to come.
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:01amSubject:
Do homosexuals have the right to fly the rainbow flag on military bases?
TheUnholyGhost posted: It doesn't say anywhere that I am required to love the person I marry.
Know what it does say? Opposite sex.
That same right extends to every single person in this country.
I don't fear gay couples getting civil union rights. In fact, I'm for it. What I fear is that it sets a dangerous precedent that we grant special priviledges for a behavior, but if it shuts them up, I'm for it.
Just don't cry when fatties and smokers get their own special rights to the detriment of everyone else in the entire country. And it's not just them. Once you open that door, special rights for a "protected class" (still a behavior), you get things like Affirmative Action that screws everyone for years to come.
But, I'm a homophobic bigot, so what do I know?
These arguments are fun. I know you're being facetious on that last bolded part, but when these keep going eventually you basically have to admit homophobia to even remotely rationalize not giving them that right. You still don't realize that it's not giving them special rights. It would be a right that would extend to everybody in the country, even you could marry a man. Aren't you mad you don't have the freedom to marry a man right now?
I do like how you basically called gay marriage a detriment to everyone else in the country. You really are irrationally homophobic, and just try to hide behind some twisted logic, even though it comes out when you equate gays to unhealthy eating disorders or chemical addictions.
ou're so heterophobic" -Lyli
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