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Mangler_SC  4 stars
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And although a Marine is definitely not a slouch when it comes to hand to hand combat, they would be no match for a full fledged Roman advance.

Roman soldiers carried their own packs of 80-120 pounds all day, dropped them and were ready for a battle.

Again, sheer numbers carries the day.

 

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Caledric  4 stars
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Mangler_SC posted:

And although a Marine is definitely not a slouch when it comes to hand to hand combat, they would be no match for a full fledged Roman advance.

Roman soldiers carried their own packs of 80-120 pounds all day, dropped them and were ready for a battle.

Again, sheer numbers carries the day.



Just how light do you think a Marine's gear is? lol 80-120 lbs? Our infantry would love to only carry that much weight around!

 

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Cuttlery  4 stars
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Caledric posted:

Mangler_SC posted:

And although a Marine is definitely not a slouch when it comes to hand to hand combat, they would be no match for a full fledged Roman advance.


Roman soldiers carried their own packs of 80-120 pounds all day, dropped them and were ready for a battle.


Again, sheer numbers carries the day.



Just how light do you think a Marine's gear is? lol 80-120 lbs? Our infantry would love to only carry that much weight around!



It doesnt matter, in hand to hand combat with a sword and shield a Roman soldier is easily going to defeat a Marine, its all about the training.

 

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Sith_Mauler  4 stars
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Caledric posted:

Mangler_SC posted:

And although a Marine is definitely not a slouch when it comes to hand to hand combat, they would be no match for a full fledged Roman advance.

Roman soldiers carried their own packs of 80-120 pounds all day, dropped them and were ready for a battle.

Again, sheer numbers carries the day.



Just how light do you think a Marine's gear is? lol 80-120 lbs? Our infantry would love to only carry that much weight around!



Marines as a group are the most in shape people I have known, even the airwing guys I trained with was all about some pt.

I never understood that fascination.

 

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DunesVladHarkonnen  4 stars
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Could a modern equipped, well trained unit, rush to Rome and level the leadership and city before the Romans could mount a solid defence? yes.

Could they then hold the city without being overrun by the people/armies? probably not.

Would levelling Rome and killing all former 'leadership' destroy the Roman Empire? probably yes. (you'd have a TON of civil wars and uprisings trying to fill the power vacuum)


Therefore, if the tactic was to blitzkrieg Rome and 'cut the head off the snake' I do believe the political/social fallout would be the end of the Roman Empire. Whether or not any Marines would be alive to see it...is up for debate.

 

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Sith_Mauler  4 stars
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the problem the the Roman Legion that its a large rigid formation that is unable to adapt to anything but the perfect conditions. it has to be set up before battle.

the huns used this to their advantage by attacking roman legions as the traveled through forests or other ares that prevented the legion from setting up.

another issue Roman Legions are mostly light infantry, they started facing defeats when they started encountering predominately cavalry forces.

and the biggest weakness is the officer positions are filled by political appointment by politicians appointing their kids or friends into this positions.

a tour of duty was check in the box to move up the Roman political ladder.

so while you have have experienced legionaries, the leadership was often inept or just didnt have a military mind.

 

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Mangler_SC  4 stars
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Cuttlery posted:

Caledric posted:

Mangler_SC posted:

And although a Marine is definitely not a slouch when it comes to hand to hand combat, they would be no match for a full fledged Roman advance.

Roman soldiers carried their own packs of 80-120 pounds all day, dropped them and were ready for a battle.

Again, sheer numbers carries the day.

Just how light do you think a Marine's gear is? lol 80-120 lbs? Our infantry would love to only carry that much weight around!

It doesnt matter, in hand to hand combat with a sword and shield a Roman soldier is easily going to defeat a Marine, its all about the training.

Exactly. I didn't say it was going to be a cakewalk for the Romans, but they would eventually completely dominate a modern Marine with an empty rifle and bayonet. It would be gruesome actually.

 

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Caledric  4 stars
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Mangler_SC posted:

Cuttlery posted:

Caledric posted:

Mangler_SC posted:

And although a Marine is definitely not a slouch when it comes to hand to hand combat, they would be no match for a full fledged Roman advance.

Roman soldiers carried their own packs of 80-120 pounds all day, dropped them and were ready for a battle.

Again, sheer numbers carries the day.

Just how light do you think a Marine's gear is? lol 80-120 lbs? Our infantry would love to only carry that much weight around!

It doesnt matter, in hand to hand combat with a sword and shield a Roman soldier is easily going to defeat a Marine, its all about the training.

Exactly. I didn't say it was going to be a cakewalk for the Romans, but they would eventually completely dominate a modern Marine with an empty rifle and bayonet. It would be gruesome actually.


Lol, most roman soldiers were not nearly as skilled as you want to believe they were, also your forgetting about a Marine's armor and training. You are also forgetting that Marines would not be fighting the Roman's in a straight line smash into each other style. They would break off into groups and do guerrilla warfare. A legionnaire 1 v 1 was not that skilled. Their strength was in the line... Marines would not fight them on the line... Also Marines ESPECIALLY infantry are familiar with swords.

 

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Sith_Mauler  4 stars
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why fight in the first place with the knowledge of future tech could you imagine the legacy that you could form?

for example just imagine how much farther advanced flight would be if the wright flyer or even a basic hang glider that was built during the time of the Roman Empire?

 

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Mangler_SC  4 stars
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Sith_Mauler posted:

another issue Roman Legions are mostly light infantry, they started facing defeats when they started encountering predominately cavalry forces./quote]Does a modern Marine have training to fight from horseback? Even if they did, where would they find enough horses to make a difference?

 

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