I tend to agree... your time is less important than mine (as a general rule, everyones time is less important as mine), not to mention the combined time of everyone else in the group.


Be creative on your own time....don't waste my time and everyone elses just because you want to try and be different.

 

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It's nice of the last three posters to prove my original sarcastic point. Two of them I'd expect nothing less from in fact.

Look, at this point many of us are running heroics in 251+ gear. These things were designed for 187 blues.

In smite spec I can do over 4k dps (bursts on bosses over 5k) all while healing everyone around the boss.

Often times I've been top DPS doing this as well. It's not an issue. Yes I can do 7k in my shadow spec. Who cares? If you think about it I'm actually speeding up the run most of the time because instead of 3 dps and a healer doing zero we have 4 DPS.

Nobody ever said "lolz I raid ICC and DPS in my offspec because I r l33t". We're talking about dated heroics here people. Engage your brain.

--Sly

 

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The problem isn't the dated heroics. It's the upcoming new heroics. I know you well enough as an intelligent poster that you'd be doing what you could for the group. Not putting it in danger just so you can DPS instead of heal. But others don't know the difference or don't care.

I think that's why you get such strong responses on topics such as this. People who 'try to be different' are fine.... as long as they don't hinder or endanger the group. Half the people posting on this thread want to make sure that last half of the sentence is there.

 

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The simple reason that any tank spec (prot, bear, etc) shouldn't be filling a dps role is because they are all designed to be enhanced by getting hit. If you're a tank spec and you're not getting hit, you're not reaching your full potential.

Sure, you can do okay, but you can't shine. If you want to be mediocre in order to be unique, that's fine, but don't expect strangers to put up with it. That's what guilds of close friends are for - trying out unconventional, and often less effective (but possibly more fun, or at least novel), stuff.


edit: and on the whole offspec thing, towards the end of WotLK my wife was actually re-engaged with the incredibly faceroll 5-mans by healing them in shadow. Especially when our guild tank was tanking, she could get through 90+% of the instance without switching out (shield + vampire heals were enough) all while doing excellent dps. It made the runs go much faster, and she had fun juggling the two roles. Of course on harder content she would go to her holy main spec.

 

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Everyone playing WoW has the right to be stupid. You see evidence of it daily, especially if you join trade chat. You might wonder how some people manage to get online at all.


DPSing in a tank build is hard to appreciate. It's, well, it's dumb. It's not blizzard forcing you to do anything. Different trees have different purposes and you can use them correctly (requires almost no intelligence and even trade chat morons can figure it out) or you can intentionally be inefficient and ineffective.


If you can't do more dps in ret than you can in prot, then either your gear is utter garbage or you don't know how to play.


The fact that you can out dps other people means nothing, because WoW is full of clueless underachievers and IMO, most people still doing heroics at this point are probably fresh alts or new 80's with rare appearances by bored seasoned players getting a few points to save (which IMO is a waste of time since cata instances will give way more points).


DPS players are usually the most prone to cluelessness since out of all the ez-modes in the game, DPSing is the easiest. People who can't handle tanking or healing are going to dps only...and may not even get dpsing down. And if you can't figure out how to dps worth a crap....oy...stick to spamming idiocy in trade chat or go back to coloring books.

 

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Let's put this in perspective, though. At this point, we are talking about HEROIC 5 MANs. So DPSing in prot/heal spec as opposed to a dps spec means doing 4k dps instead of 7k or something similar. If that is the case- who cares? If it now takes me 23 minutes to run the heroic instead of 20.... I think I will be ok. And if you are the guy dpsing in a prot spec and get booted for it under these circumstances... thank them- you are better off not having to deal with those people.

Now, if you are doing 1k dps in a prot spec, that's another story.

 

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Right now, well, as of yesterday, you could run through those heroics speccd as a paper towel and still do decent DPS (yay for hyperbole!)


Being serious about new instances, raids, etcetera and not doing the necessary contribution to the group? Not likely to happen. Not in a PuG when most of the poplulation is still gearing up and struggling. Not in a raid group working on progression.


I think most of the posters out here are intelligent enough to have already played the game "correctly" in a way that contributes to the group without hindering it or endangering it. They've been around. They know the ropes. They understand group success = individual success. And are currently having a vacation from the restrictions in the past and those that they know will be coming.


Trustingly yours,


Faith in VN posters

 

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