Wait a minute. Not too long ago there was a conversation about streamlining the quests so there wasn't so much running back to quest givers. Now they've implemented it and there are still complaints?

 

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What about proffesions? LOL! J/K


I'm not worried about dungeon difficulty because as a tank I've got que time on my side. And I don't have a problem with challenges like what some are talking about. 2hr dungeons? I'll save thaose for a Saturday evening. I've finally got a mage above 50 (heck above 25 was an accomplishment.) and I'm looking forward to a new DK and Lock. Speak for myslef I think I've got enough to keep me chugging for quite a while. Plus I still have ot go get exhalted with the rest of the TBC factions I left behind.

 

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I do this already. I realize a loooong time ago that if you're not visiting WoWhead or some forum ona basis you are behind the curve. I feel bad for those who want it all but won't in th etime to do the things they need.

I know this person ingame who thinks it's neat to have the BoAs from AT..but doesn't want to put in the time needed to work his way up to 'Crusader'. He fels conflicted jumping from alt to alt to alt. I'm like why aren't you leveling your druid to 85? He's not 'feeling it' he says. Okay.


People think I'm insane for having the faction reps I do, or the amount of BoAs. Or that I try to get all my alts to th ehighest in all proffesions...even secondary.

 

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Awesome! Have as much fun as you can in the lower levels. It is still a blast and if I weren't so irritated I would maybe try to build a new lowbie. Only problem is I have so danged many toons already I am out of new, fresh classes to level.

So, my advice, take your time to get to 85. Go as slow as you can and maybe before you make it there Bliz will have fixed the high level issues. They are game breaking in my opinion. It feels like we are back in 2005 doing Old School WoW and frankly the game was NOT better in those days, imho.

 

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If you are having fun, that is all that counts but I can tell you exactly why your friend says he's not 'feeling it'. It is because the scaling is screwed up past 80. The higher level you get the weaker you feel. 85 in quested blues/greens feels crippled and boring. You have 4k SP, 100k hps, 60k mana, and 4% crit, and 4% haste. Totally lame, again, imho.

 

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Yeah I went from a 1.3 second lightning bolt at level 80 on my shaman, to a 1.86 second lightning bolt at 85 with better gear. I still scratch my head on that one.

 

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While I understand what they are trying to do, my solidified opinion after doing a little bit of everything Cata has to offer is that this expansion blows. Oh wells, it happens, though they won't get and retain any new players unless those players stay in the 1-60 range.

 

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Thank you for your insight. I really do appreciate it. I probably should have explained more..but...when he said he wasn't 'feeling it' it was because he went ot Hyjal...saw that it as on fire (or something) mentioned it 'burnign his fur' and left. His druid is still stuck at 80. I reccomended Vash but he doesn't care for water quests...I guess. LOL!


If I had to make a wild speculation about Cata. I would say this.


Someone up in corporate saw that there was a percentage of people who did not raid in Wrath. (Such as myself) Probably even saw the amount of progression (overall) by players was slower from 70 to 80 and felt that they would make it 80 to 85 for Cata in order to catter to the casual crowd. I mean if a casual player plays less than 5 hours a week then 80 to 85 is proabably right up the casuals alley. I'm not that bad in my casual play. But I'm in no rush. If I get to a point where I will overshoot the level mark for a dungeon I will move to a toon.

 

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This is what bugs me the most, and it has bugged me since BC was released. I'm used to the old-style mmo-level-gain abilities-level-do quests-level-craft "grind" (if you will). I actually enjoy it. If I didn't, I wouldn't play MMOs.

I thought they did a fantastic job with BC...except for the fact that they shortened the game for non-raiders like myself by only adding 10 additional levels. One could easily get from level 58-68 in Outland essentially without bothering to visit more than two of the zones. I know because I pretty much did just that with my warrior...did all the Hellfire and Nagrand quests then a few in Netherstorm before moving on to Northrend. I picked Nagrand because the last time I did the content years ago I went from Hellfire to Zangarmarsh. Once I hit 70, I quit the game until Wrath came out.

Same goes for Northrend and the Wrath content. Borean Tundra is jam-packed with quest content, which you will quickly outlevel. Hit 80 and, unless you're a raider and in a raiding guild for the most part, there's not much left to do other than grind for mounts, rep, or level an alt.

They could have easily scaled BC and Wrath for 20 levels given the number of zones and massive amount of content each xpac offered. I wish they had, but even with that complaint both xpacs (I felt) were well worth the money (which was an unheard of $40 both times).

Now we're given only 5 more levels until we max out again and, on top of that, we're lead with a carrot and stick through the content? Seriously? I expected much, much more of Blizzard.

 

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The problem is once casuals get to level 85 and feel like they are weak as a kitten, the casuals will feel punished. You simply cannot play the way you used to in WOTLK and just have fun. Your idea of fun has to change.


You have to start reading spreadsheets, parsing logs, perusing WoWhead and Elitist Jerks for upgrades to gear and strategies on bosses, learning to CC, practicing running out of fires, and doing 2+ hour dungeons to get the loot needed to hit Heroics and get anything accomplished.


Frankly, I think Blizzard lost their minds and they should have done this gradually, not all at once with the ramped up difficulty.

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But as Spooky and some others pointed out (I think before CATA even released) Blizzard will dial things back when enough people whine about the jump in "difficulty". We're reaching that point now and in a month or two it will be toned down to the point it isn't such a big change for the casuals. Too late for some but plenty will still be here or come back to try it after the changes.

 

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