The "Naxxramas" of cataclysm is Blackwing Descent.
Do you really think the first bosses in BWD are harder than the first in Naxx, in a casual group at the beginning of WotLK when everybody was wearing greens and quest blues? If yes, then you have bad memory, or you are well too used to faceroll the first few ICC normal bosses in full epics to remember...

 

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I'm so glad you're here to tell everyone how we're actually experiencing the game, Korrigan. I think you would fit right in with the current development team at Blizzard, maybe you should send them your resume?

 

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I only told the obvious... maybe you should remember how PUGs and "casuals" were doing in Naxxramas back then when they weren't facerolling it with overgeared characters.
Sure, Naxxramas is dead easy even with just Ulduar gear. But how was it with dungeon gear? Remember when half the scrubs in your PUG didn't know how to dance during Heigan's encounter? Remember when your tank in a mix of quest and dungeon gear got crushed by Patchwerk? It's EXACTLY the same here. Some people need to gear up, others will just never know how to dance.

As I said, people have short memories. Last thing most remember is facerolling ICC with overgeared chars, and not their beginnings in WotLK. And you have exactly the same people whining because raiding is "too hard" now than at WotLK release, before they got carried through content by geared up people.

 

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I remember the sentiments on this forum being quite a bit different when WoTLK was released and Naxx was the redone entry dungeon.

You realize, of course, that Cata has been out 4.5 months now?


Edit: I will add that, at the time WoTLK released, we were all talking about how Naxx had about 3% of the population who had experienced it. So Blizzard re set it up as the premier entry raiding dungeon, and it worked quite well for that. Most players were glad about actually getting to experience the content, and some raiders complained. I remember several groups of people on this forum breaking into it in the first few months WoTLK released, and the complaints about raiding on this forum were quite a bit lower ime. I think perhaps it's you who is misremembering things, as all through WoTLK, it was considered to be opening the game up to casual raiders by a majority of players.

This expansion, not so much.

 

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4.5 months into WotLK, you still had scrubs wiping in Utgarde Pinacle, Halls of Lightning or The Old Kingdom (and also Occulus, but I'm gonna keep that one appart). Just like now, you have scrubs wiping in the hardest heroics (deadmines, stonecore...). 4.5 months into WotLK you had people who cleared Naxxramas without breaking a sweat in 25 man while others were still wiping on the four horsemen, heigan or others.



I don't see your point here, since all the dungeons are a totally new experience. So you say "naxx was nice because it was new to many", and the current dungeons, which are new to everybody, aren't? Make up your mind.

People complaining things are "too hard" always existed. That's not a reason to cater to them, or your game ends so dumbed down there's no challenge left at all.

 

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Yep being able to clear Naxx on my "casual family" guild was awesome and fun. Wiping repeatedly in today's dungeons is not fun. People can say we suck, and we probably do, but we are playing a game to have fun... what happened to the fun?!

 

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I would add that, the loudest detractors of WoTLK when it released were people like Boone at the time. Not casual raiders who were actually enjoying progression for once, and not people who were complaining about raiding still being too hard. Very different from Cataclysm.

 

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And you can't clear BWD 10 man on your casual family guild?
Seriously?

I'm not talking about Temple of Trash... err BoT. But BWD. The place you enter, and you have two easy bosses, one left, one right.

 

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