Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
Anyone try or use WTFast service for WoW lag reduction?
WTFastPWNer posted: And this is what we have to work against. I can completely eliminate all risk by offering a free WTFast account and even a free WoW account to try WTFast out; I can offer links to 3rd party feedback, unbiased survey results, etc. and still there are doubters that call WTFast snake oil without even trying it.
When I started this business there are many, many tech-savvy users that told me that what I wanted to do with WTFast is impossible but through empirical evidence I showed them that they were wrong. Obviously I am fighting a losing battle at this forum. Just remember WTFast now, and when someone you know recommends WTFast to you a few weeks down the road, or when you see us making deals with major game publishers, maybe you will take WTFast more seriously!
*** Edit - Regarding the supposed blue post by Blizzard stating that people using proxies that get hacked would not be restored... I know of several blue posts that stated there is nothing wrong with using a proxy and using a proxy will NEVER get your WoW account banned. Obviously not all of the blue posts are correct. Think logically, with thousands and thousands of users on proxies, Blizzard is not going to ban an account unless they actually have good reason to do so. Using a proxy alone is never enough, as has been stated by Blizzard several times. ***
Have fun playing Cataclysm!
We call every link posted by brand new account holders snake oil. Don't assume for an instant that you are special.
No one said they were going to ban an account for using a proxy. We said that account wouldn't be restored if it were hacked by someone such as yourself, advertising a proxy.
You have yet to even state that your program does not contain a keylogger, virus, trojan, or any other malicious wares.
I bet you have a disclaimer in your setup that states "being detected as a trojan is normal, please disable your virus protection when installing this software.."
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Date Posted:1/1/00 12:01amSubject:
Anyone try or use WTFast service for WoW lag reduction?
Sprawl-zero1eye- posted: I vote scam.
A legit business does not come on a forum like this trying to sell users on how great their service is, and put "PWN" in the user name. I think a legit business relies on their own forum, and the positive feedback on it, plus advertising.
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:01amSubject:
Anyone try or use WTFast service for WoW lag reduction?
WTFastPWNer posted: *** Edit - Regarding the supposed blue post by Blizzard stating that people using proxies that get hacked would not be restored... I know of several blue posts that stated there is nothing wrong with using a proxy and using a proxy will NEVER get your WoW account banned. Obviously not all of the blue posts are correct. Think logically, with thousands and thousands of users on proxies, Blizzard is not going to ban an account unless they actually have good reason to do so. Using a proxy alone is never enough, as has been stated by Blizzard several times.
This is true.
Ardenwolfe posted: However.
If your account is damaged, stolen, or altered due to use of the service, Blizzard will not restore the account according to the Blue response.
Previous users also reported an increase in viruses, trojans, and the like after use. Not all users, as some claim otherwise, but enough for people to take notice.
This is also true.
Quite a quandary, eh?
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Some small percentage of users might see a benefit from your service but the risks for the average user simply outweigh the benefits. I'd say, if you have enough of a problem that you just can't stay connected or your pings are so high as to be unplayable, it _might_ be worth the risk as the game is basically unplayable already, right? Ban or can't move in org...tough choice there lol.
[edit] Yes, we know already: "but we don't mask IPs like those nasty, mean, smelly ol' other sites do!" Run with that. It'll keep people from doing their own cost/benefit analysis.
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Date Posted:1/1/00 12:01amSubject:
Anyone try or use WTFast service for WoW lag reduction?
GutterSludge posted:
WTFastPWNer posted: And this is what we have to work against. I can completely eliminate all risk by offering a free WTFast account and even a free WoW account to try WTFast out; I can offer links to 3rd party feedback, unbiased survey results, etc. and still there are doubters that call WTFast snake oil without even trying it.
When I started this business there are many, many tech-savvy users that told me that what I wanted to do with WTFast is impossible but through empirical evidence I showed them that they were wrong. Obviously I am fighting a losing battle at this forum. Just remember WTFast now, and when someone you know recommends WTFast to you a few weeks down the road, or when you see us making deals with major game publishers, maybe you will take WTFast more seriously!
*** Edit - Regarding the supposed blue post by Blizzard stating that people using proxies that get hacked would not be restored... I know of several blue posts that stated there is nothing wrong with using a proxy and using a proxy will NEVER get your WoW account banned. Obviously not all of the blue posts are correct. Think logically, with thousands and thousands of users on proxies, Blizzard is not going to ban an account unless they actually have good reason to do so. Using a proxy alone is never enough, as has been stated by Blizzard several times. ***
Have fun playing Cataclysm!
We call every link posted by brand new account holders snake oil. Don't assume for an instant that you are special.
No one said they were going to ban an account for using a proxy. We said that account wouldn't be restored if it were hacked by someone such as yourself, advertising a proxy.
You have yet to even state that your program does not contain a keylogger, virus, trojan, or any other malicious wares.
I bet you have a disclaimer in your setup that states "being detected as a trojan is normal, please disable your virus protection when installing this software.."
I wasn't actually the one here to start the thread about WTFast, I did come here to defend it.
If WTFast is such a bad thing, why does Fileplanet/IGN have an approved download for it?:
McAfee and Norton rate us as safe, this implies that WTFast is not malicious, doesn't it?
My point regarding the new IP checking system by Blizzard is that it is now virtually impossible for a WoW account to be hacked. This can easily be tested with WTFast by turning "login with my own IP" off and on with WTFast. If your account cannot be hacked, then any result from that, good or bad, is not really an issue.
I say "virtually" impossible because theoretically it would be possible for a hacker to remote control your PC or use it as a proxy and access your WoW account this way without generating an account lock since they would actually be using your IP. The probability of this happening is quite low since any sub-par anti-virus or firewall program will stop this. Even if this were to happen, I am not sure the latency/response would be good enough for the hacker to even play WoW through your computer in the first place.
WTFast is now 1 year old, if there was a security concern with WTFast, don't you think that it would have been exposed by now? Someone posted a message regarding someone using a different proxy service (that hid the users IP) and transferring gold, resulting in a suspension. This did not happen with WTFast, and it would never happen if you just use "login with my own IP".
What makes better business sense?
1. Help users to improve their gameplay and collect growing monthly recurring fees from our users.
2. Hack a few WoW accounts, get massive negative PR and be out of business in a few months.
I'll see if I can get some users to come here to vouch for WTFast, but why is that even necessary when we already have tons of 3rd party and unbiased feedback from our users?
It is a good point that maybe I am wasting my time here and I am better off spending it doing something else - sometimes when I have some time to kill I like to visit the forums!
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:01amSubject:
Anyone try or use WTFast service for WoW lag reduction?
I figured out the deal..
A lot of this guys clients were playing on private servers..to which of course, Blizz has applied the proverbial legal smack down.
Now hes here trying to drum up new business, since the private servers are scared to run anymore.
What kills me is that we have to drag all of this out of the guy, like pulling teeth.
A. Your product resembles hacker behavior, and increases the chance for its user to be banned by Warden.
B. Use of your product inspires Blizzard to NOT help users if they should be hacked.
C. You have zero problem helping people violate the EULA, and TOS, by connecting to a private realm, and actually improved said connection willingly and intentionally.
D. You claim to have come here to "defend" your product, but failed to disclose any and all of this, forcing us to drag it out of you.
E. You CHARGE for all of this headache.
I give you an "F" in defense of your product.
I give your product an "F" for endangering a persons account (see A and B)
I give you AND your product an "F" for enabling people to play on illegal, private servers, and your disregard for the EULA and TOS.
Get the "F" outta here.
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njwCSUS posted:I'm homosexual, so really, its ongoing sexual attraction to my father, not my mother.
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:01amSubject:
Anyone try or use WTFast service for WoW lag reduction?
GutterSludge posted: I figured out the deal..
A lot of this guys clients were playing on private servers..to which of course, Blizz has applied the proverbial legal smack down.
Now hes here trying to drum up new business, since the private servers are scared to run anymore.
What kills me is that we have to drag all of this out of the guy, like pulling teeth.
A. Your product resembles hacker behavior, and increases the chance for its user to be banned by Warden.
B. Use of your product inspires Blizzard to NOT help users if they should be hacked.
C. You have zero problem helping people violate the EULA, and TOS, by connecting to a private realm, and actually improved said connection willingly and intentionally.
D. You claim to have come here to "defend" your product, but failed to disclose any and all of this, forcing us to drag it out of you.
E. You CHARGE for all of this headache.
I give you an "F" in defense of your product.
I give your product an "F" for endangering a persons account (see A and B)
I give you AND your product an "F" for enabling people to play on illegal, private servers, and your disregard for the EULA and TOS.
Get the "F" outta here.
WTFast can be used to help any TCP based games. If someone decides to use WTFast for a private server, we cannot control that. We do not promote or support this. Your argument is similar to condemning an Internet provider because they allow someone to connect to private servers. It is not something they can control and it is not something we can control.
But why would a user do this at all? If they aren't going to pay for WoW, why would they pay for WTFast? That isn't logical is it?
I am not going to continue to defend and repeat myself here. WTFast does not resemble hacker behavior because you are logging in with your own IP address. WTFast is a safe service that gets reults. I have been playing WOW since release and I use my own personal account for testing WTFast all the time, with different IPs, to test account locks, etc. - my account has never been suspended.
I have to run, we have to get ready for Cataclysm (yes, real servers, not private servers). We are also in the process of finalizing a deal with a major publisher. WTFast is here to stay, we have thousands of users and we are growing. Hopefully you will remember my forum appearance as they will be less frequent in the future. Everyone have fun with Cataclysm!
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:01amSubject:
Anyone try or use WTFast service for WoW lag reduction?
WTFastPWNer posted:
GutterSludge posted: I figured out the deal..
A lot of this guys clients were playing on private servers..to which of course, Blizz has applied the proverbial legal smack down.
Now hes here trying to drum up new business, since the private servers are scared to run anymore.
What kills me is that we have to drag all of this out of the guy, like pulling teeth.
A. Your product resembles hacker behavior, and increases the chance for its user to be banned by Warden.
B. Use of your product inspires Blizzard to NOT help users if they should be hacked.
C. You have zero problem helping people violate the EULA, and TOS, by connecting to a private realm, and actually improved said connection willingly and intentionally.
D. You claim to have come here to "defend" your product, but failed to disclose any and all of this, forcing us to drag it out of you.
E. You CHARGE for all of this headache.
I give you an "F" in defense of your product.
I give your product an "F" for endangering a persons account (see A and B)
I give you AND your product an "F" for enabling people to play on illegal, private servers, and your disregard for the EULA and TOS.
Get the "F" outta here.
WTFast can be used to help any TCP based games. If someone decides to use WTFast for a private server, we cannot control that. We do not promote or support this. Your argument is similar to condemning an Internet provider because they allow someone to connect to private servers. It is not something they can control and it is not something we can control.
But why would a user do this at all? If they aren't going to pay for WoW, why would they pay for WTFast? That isn't logical is it?
I am not going to continue to defend and repeat myself here. WTFast does not resemble hacker behavior because you are logging in with your own IP address. WTFast is a safe service that gets reults. I have been playing WOW since release and I use my own personal account for testing WTFast all the time, with different IPs, to test account locks, etc. - my account has never been suspended.
I have to run, we have to get ready for Cataclysm (yes, real servers, not private servers). We are also in the process of finalizing a deal with a major publisher. WTFast is here to stay, we have thousands of users and we are growing. Hopefully you will remember my forum appearance as they will be less frequent in the future. Everyone have fun with Cataclysm!
Lol I don't know why, but I like this guy.
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Date Posted:1/1/00 12:01amSubject:
Anyone try or use WTFast service for WoW lag reduction?
WTFastPWNer posted: WTFast can be used to help any TCP based games. If someone decides to use WTFast for a private server, we cannot control that.
We will turn a blind eye in the name of a buck.
WTFastPWNer posted: But why would a user do this at all? If they aren't going to pay for WoW, why would they pay for WTFast? That isn't logical is it?
Why would they pay for internet? Rent? Food? And they did pay on private servers, they were just called "donations"..
Trying to "snow" this community with that is what defies logic.
WTFastPWNer posted: I am not going to continue to defend and repeat myself here.
Funny, if someone were belittling my product, I would defend it to the death, unless they were right..
WTFastPWNer posted: WTFast does not resemble hacker behavior because you are logging in with your own IP address.
Then why did we need your service again? Oh, thats right, so you can sniif login and pw data from us..and do the 5 minute authenticator swap? Gotyah.
WTFastPWNer posted: We are also in the process of finalizing a deal with a major publisher.
Then why are you here again?
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NeMeFieD said:"ea I Ucmed for 12 days straight.."
njwCSUS posted:I'm homosexual, so really, its ongoing sexual attraction to my father, not my mother.
ea I Ucmed for 12 days straight.."
Everyone have fun with Cataclysm!