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-Peo-  2 stars
Title: Caveat Lector
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Registered: 2005-2-2 08:38:42
 Date Posted: 1/1/00 12:00am Subject: Ask the Devs #6 - Guild Advancement
GutterSludge posted:
-Peo- posted:
GutterSludge posted:
Quazimortal posted:
Gutter you are very much in the minority with your refusal to join a guild.



I know..it's sad that so many fail to see the light.



The irony is staggering.


Your way is your way, and not ncessarily the right way.



It's the right way for me...if everyone else wants to be a lemming, well that is just sad.



 

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Ashmaele  4 stars
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Registered: 2002-1-15 08:30:50
 Date Posted: 1/1/00 12:00am Subject: Ask the Devs #6 - Guild Advancement
kyrv posted:
GutterSludge posted:
"We really encourage as many people as possible to seek out guilds...

We want people to be in guilds.....

blah blah..you might not be as interested in this whole guild progression thing."


If my toons got autoleveld to 105 and fitted in the best gear possible instantly, I still wouldn't join a guild...


Blizz just doesn't get it.



Yes but they are not only telling you how to play, but how to run your guild:

"We don't think recruiting random people is healthy for a guild. Rewards are never going to be a substitute for strong social ties. We really encourage as many people as possible to seek out guilds (and we hope the new Guild Finder will help with that), but joining a guild at random will likely end in tears."


Amazing.



Mythic err Blizzard posted:
Are we going to see guild houses someday so we could finally get a special gather place for the guild, to meet and interact easily?

Guild housing is something we have discussed many times. It would be neat to have a place for people to hang out, but every time it has come up as a possibility we don't think that is worth the amount of time and resources it would take to implement (and do it right). This is one of those features where if we ever decided to do it, the benefit would have to outweigh other content we could be working on. Also, we don't feel that we need any new ways for players to hide themselves away. If possible we at least like people to be hanging around in the cities, if not out in the world.



They really typed a lot of words to say "no," didn't they?

This is my favorite part:


Mythic err Blizzard posted:
We know that many guilds, despite lack of official guild housing, have designated meeting locations throughout the world, which we think is really cool. If you don't have one yet it might be something to explore.



"We think it's really cool that guilds are meeting behind such and such a tree in that zone there so we don't see a need for guild housing!"

 

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steveC91  1 star
Posts: 81
Registered: 2003-3-28 06:34:58
 Date Posted: 1/1/00 12:00am Subject: Ask the Devs #6 - Guild Advancement
GutterSludge posted:
-Peo- posted:
GutterSludge posted:
Quazimortal posted:
Gutter you are very much in the minority with your refusal to join a guild.



I know..it's sad that so many fail to see the light.



The irony is staggering.

Your way is your way, and not ncessarily the right way.



It's the right way for me...if everyone else wants to be a lemming, well that is just sad.


What has running of the edge of a cliff got to do with joining a Guild ?
Have you ever been in a Guild ?

 

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GutterSludge  4 stars
Posts: 1,034
Registered: 2005-11-6 10:54:55
 Date Posted: 1/1/00 12:00am Subject: Ask the Devs #6 - Guild Advancement
In WOW?

Hell no.

In other MMO's and computer games over the almost 30 years of existence of home computers? Absolutely...

Which is why the answer to the first question is "Hell no".

Savvy?

 

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JaredKorry  2 stars
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Date Posted: 1/1/00 12:00am Subject: Ask the Devs #6 - Guild Advancement
If he is happier playing the game solo and not joining a guild, good for him. I just don't understand why he seems to think he is better then others who do join guilds.
GutterSludge  4 stars
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Registered: 2005-11-6 10:54:55
 Date Posted: 1/1/00 12:00am Subject: Ask the Devs #6 - Guild Advancement
I just think there are better MMO models than the "forced grouping" approach that Blizzard takes, but many players that have only been exposed to WOW have no clue that other models have ever existed.


I wasn't required to be in a group, or need a guild to play text based games of the 80's.

I wasn't required to be in a group, or need a guild to play the original NWN on AOL.

I wasn't required to be in a group, or need a guild to play Meridian.

I wasn't required to be in a group, or need a guild to play UO.

I wasn't required to be in a group, or need a guild to play AC.

I wasn't required to be in a group, or need a guild to play Diablo.

I wasn't required to be in a group, or need a guild to play Starcraft.

Etc. Etc. Etc.

Now, while I was in MANY guilds during those times, NEVER was it "required". Never were "groups" required either.

I also put up with enough "drama" from those guilds over that time to fill a small planet. My choice to "abstain" from this is mine, and I do not force it on anyone.

The argument I have is with people who say, "It's an MMO, your supposed to be in a guild (or group)", as I just cannot let this ignorance go without speaking up, and I honestly find it sad that people are under this impression.

 

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JaredKorry  2 stars
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Date Posted: 1/1/00 12:00am Subject: Ask the Devs #6 - Guild Advancement
My viewpoint used to be, and to a lesser degree still is, "It's an MMO, you are SUPPOSED to be social and interact with other players." Sadly, the community aspect of MMORPGs is suffering badly in WoW.
Spookysheep  4 stars
Title: Lieker of Cheese
Posts: 1,248
Registered: 2002-1-9 06:49:19
 Date Posted: 1/1/00 12:00am Subject: Ask the Devs #6 - Guild Advancement
Ultima Online was far, far more social than WoW, and there was nothing in that game that required a group.

People who equate "social" with forced grouping are simply ignorant to past games (as Gutter pointed out).

 

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JaredKorry  2 stars
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Date Posted: 1/1/00 12:00am Subject: Ask the Devs #6 - Guild Advancement
I never played UO so I don't know much about it. But yeah, I agree, forced grouping sucks.
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