Nethaera posted:




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Ha, long worded way of saying "please don't take this brush-off as a brush-off".


The solution for DF queue times is quite obvious:

If there are not enough Tanks queuing up, then form groups with the available DPS and Healer toons, and toss in a Tank-a-Bot to fight with them. Bots cure all!

 

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I now have two toons that can " Tank " but I wont do it.


A) I dont know the dungys, Im a fresh 85 who just came back.


B) IF I was to queue it would be as a healer or DPS.. Simply because I could then learn the dungys at least some then move to tanking.


but really the biggest problem I have.. Are the people who play. If its not going smooth as a babys butt they bitch, moan, whine and complain. most of WoWs problem is directly due to the player base.

 

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So the real question is, how do we get more people to tank/heal?


Extra rewards in the form of jp, loot or gold?

Extra xp/faster leveling?

How to make it "more fun" without making it a /faceroll ?

 

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"The Looking For Dungeon queue times are understood to be of issue for some people."

Some people? If you look at it like that then it gives you a good reason to never fix the problem. How about "issue for everyone but tanks", which is way way closer to the truth?

Yeah, "some people".

Not me, or the friends I queue with. Roll a tank, or roll with a tank.

The reason a lot of people don't tank is because of other players. So many of you are morons that make the experience so un-fun that they don't want to bother.

A prime example for me has been last few days. Had pro dps/heals for an entire night one night. Then another night we couldn't find anyone with half a clue or skill, made us not want to continue queuing up.

 

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Good ole' arrogant blizzard getting a little worried now.

 

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Someone asked, how do we get more people to tank or heal?

My view, they broke the long working mechanics of the game too much to fix it without literally going back to square one. They won't do this because Cataclysm's changes were all to make their Arena Tournaments viable, less of the burst fest joke they were. They can't do it because of the time and money it would cost.

Why I didn't like tanking Cata content; I tanked every expansion and vanilla; is simply because too many dick move mobs. By that I mean mobs that just can do damage to you regardless of what your abilities are. Far too many are designed to ignore specific class traits. Used to be most special trash mobs could be faced to prevent group damage, not so much in Cata. Far too many have frenzy abilities or just spam casters who if you interrupt just cast again as if nothing happened.

Why I didn't like healing? Simple, the biggest nerf to ever be slapped on the players. Making spells cost 4x their mana does not make for a challenge, it makes for frustration. Having your character feel less capable every level they went up really made me feel that leveling was pointless. Who cares if I could do more content, I was less capable than the level before. Toss in the Arena oriented changes as to who can cleanse what or not and it just gets too annoying to care.

Even dps was annoying in this game. I spent all my tank classes in tank spec while leveling because of the gratuitous damage regular mobs had was more manageable especially being able to scrub crits off the charts. Having mobs that ignored the slowing effects of my casters; does every mob charge/jump now? This is worse than AC2's fix where mobs could go through trees, rocks, all the while hitting you with ranged attacks.

They already drove off too many tanks and healers to allow much of any fix to correct it.


FWIW : here are some heal numbers from the Shaman perspective, this is using a level 78 versus a level 85 with no gear on. Was not fun climbing from 80 to 85 and watching my mana pool go up by X but my spell costs go up many times faster

Chain Heal 2800-3200 healed for 771 mana at 78, at 85 it became 3400-3900 for 4404 mana. Earth shield, 1894 healed per hit, cost 733 mana and at 85 each orb healed 2443 but base spell cost was 4183 mana. Healing surge, the fast go to heal, at 78 cost you 1042 mana for 5800-6600 healed but at 85 it cost you 5946 mana for 7200-8200 healed.

 

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"We're still going to keep pushing to do better, to make things as balanced as possible, and to provide an epic and entertaining gaming experience. We just won't be able to do it overnight."


This is the whole problem. They made heroics so epic that nobody wants to do it as a tank or healer. They dont want to nerf the dungeons, they dont want to buff the healing or tanks. So now they are sitting around trying to figure out how to fix this mess.


It may never happen....

 

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Does the DF queue only allow people within our Battlegroup or all PVE servers?

DPS queues are becoming so long that I if I can't find a guild group, I will usually log and try later.

 

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