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.Juzam.  Title: Moderator
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Its not that they cant. Its that once they do they alienate someone. Some fans are going to stop rooting for them now. Some new fans might start cheering them on. Any public figure can be as political as they want to, but it will come with repercussions. Maybe not to you, but it has in the past with me. There are a few actors/musicians that I will no longer support based upon their political agenda being shoved in my face. I'm a just play the part or sing the song type of guy - I don't want to be political when I am trying to relax and listen to music or watch sports. Personally this gesture by the Suns makes no difference to me as I wasn't supporting them prior to the game, and I won't now either. It was pretty mild so I doubt it would have had it been a team I cared about. I think that is all people are trying to say who have a problem with the jerseys.
Its still my opinion that this night only happened because it was going to be advantageous for the business owner to do it. I don't know his opinions of the new law, but I do know that he does not want people to boycott his basketball team. That costs him money. He is taking the risk of losing some local fans to try and increase his public image nationally. To me this was all about money - not a political statement.
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Liquid741  Title: VN Sensei
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Ynisfre posted:
Liquid741 posted:
yes they are...when you come out and share you opinion about the new immigration law and the celebration is timed with your public opinion its a statement...one that i think shouldnt have happened. if you want to celebrate the latino community, then why wait till a bill comes out on immigration?
i would just like them to STFU and play basketball, and leave their opinions to their personal lives, not in the public arena.
its not only basketball, some in MLB are applying pressure not to have the all-star game their due to a political bill. it should be interesting and see if MLB caves in. i hope they dont.
Give me one reason why the Suns forgo their right to make a political opinion public. Because they play sports? Because they're famous? Those aren't reasons, and politics is public. If it offends your sensibilities, then losing a fan is the risk they are taking, and if they sell less tickets or jerseys, that is the price they pay. They go into it with their eyes wide open, and follow their own convictions. How can anybody ask for more than that? Maybe if there was some kind of clause in their contract... but even then I am not sure the organization could or should stop them. And in this case it seems the management is unified with the players on this. So what's the problem? We criticize athletes all the time for being robots, for not answering questions honestly. Then when they are honest, we tell them to shut up.
Again, if they took anything away from the game people pay to see, then I would most likely agree that their method was inappropriate. But the game went off as planned, without a hitch. Frankly it's a little disturbing that so many people think that they should have a say in what a famous person does off the court. Curt Schilling was a conservative blowhard, but that didn't stop me from watching him pitch. Ted Nugent is a crazy dude with some views I find repugnant, but I still enjoy listening to Stranglehold.
Just out of curiosity, did you also feel like the Padres shouldn't wear camo uniforms to support the troops, or the war in Iraq, or whatever they personally felt the unis were symbolic of? The coach of the Suns said for him the uniforms were about celebrating the diversity of the NBA. He punctuated this by saying "that's it." "Los" is the Spanish word for "the". It makes no specific political political statement.
please..that is BS, its a political statement, and you referring to the Camo..i totally support that, its the Armed Forces, the ones the protect the blowhards that spout their disdain/hate/and other. the suns are using the jersey to promote their take on the immigration law and nothing else. if they were so open and happy about the diversity then why havent they done it in the past...look at MLB, they have much more diversity then the NBA and they arnt wearing Lation phrases/words on their jerseys...now if the Suns came from Mexico or were re-located from south of the border then i could understand..but they were not.
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Liquid741 Title: VN Sensei
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that would be impossible...all we would have to do is talk MN QB situation... 
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please..that is BS, its a political statement and you referring to the Camo..i totally support that, its the Armed Forces, the ones the protect the blowhards that spout their disdain/hate/and other.
But when it was timed with an overseas war, you could say it's just as political as this being timed with the immigration law. Only it wasn't, because camo uniforms don't specifically say "we support the war." They say "we're acknowledging the troops." Just like these uniforms don't specifically say "we're against a crackdown on illegal immigration." They say "we're acknowledging our Latino fans."
the suns are using the jersey to promote their take on the immigration law and nothing else.
Not true. As I said, one of the coaches of the team (can't remember if it was the head coach) specifically stated on ESPN radio yesterday that he supported them wearing the uniforms because of the appreciation of the diversity of the league and "that's it." So you can say they're all saying the same thing, but they're not. And more to the point, what they mean by the gesture in their hearts should not be subject to your approval. That the gesture was innocuous enough to mean multiple things to different people should be a clue there is nothing offensive or "in your face" about what they chose to do.
if they were so open and happy about the diversity then why havent they done it in the past
Um, they have? The Lakers had Los Lakers jerseys a few months ago, and it had nothing to do with these immigration laws. There are also Los Spurs jerseys, to my knowledge. This happened in places with large Latino populations... like Arizona.
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Liquid741 Title: VN Sensei
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i had no idea about the Lakers doing it, but i dont buy the coach saying that it was about diversity...specially when Nash came out and said the opposite.
the camo thing, get off the timed war thing...its the armed forces...whom deserve and demand your respect! immigration that is absolutely ridiculous deserves none, specially when half a mill of illegals are currently in the state of AZ. hince the word illegal. and when our elected officials on both sides of the isle are pathetic and have no answer for immigration reform.
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This country was founded on the idea of immigration every bit as much as it was founded on the idea of a strong military. Not that that means we shouldn't have immigration restrictions, but we have military restrictions, too. Point is, they're both vital parts of our country's heritage, and both deserve celebration.
As for Nash and the coach saying different things... that's the whole point. They chose something that could mean multiple things. That was a celebration of something positive instead of something that was angry or phrased in the negative. Something that was mild and inoffensive. Sort of like wearing a red ribbon didn't mean you were a hardcore gay rights activist. It just meant you supported the fight to find a cure for AIDS.
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Liquid741 Title: VN Sensei
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i have no problem with them wearing Los Suns but when its about immigration reform i do have a prob. and just makes me turn away more from the NBA.
i just hope the NFL doesnt allow this, i would be  if it was the Los Colts or something...but only if it was about a political event that was happening at the time.
just shut up and play, they can have their opinion, but the fan doesnt pay to see their opinion they pay to see them play, i dont want to hear a actor/athlete spout their opinion on something controversial. lets keep it simple and entertaining...and that is what its about now-a-days...entertainment.
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Liquid741 Title: VN Sensei
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Ynisfre posted:
This country was founded on the idea of immigration every bit as much as it was founded on the idea of a strong military. Not that that means we shouldn't have immigration restrictions, but we have military restrictions, too. Point is, they're both vital parts of our country's heritage, and both deserve celebration.
completely agree...im Irish American, so i wonder why im not a Celtics fan...
As for Nash and the coach saying different things... that's the whole point. They chose something that could mean multiple things. That was a celebration of something positive instead of something that was angry or phrased in the negative. Something that was mild and inoffensive. Sort of like wearing a red ribbon didn't mean you were a hardcore gay rights activist. It just meant you supported the fight to find a cure for AIDS.
the ribbon thing is great! my girl will only watch baseball when they are using the pink bats or pink hats...i like seeing that. its support for something that need attention and using their broadcast depth allows more peeps to think of what needs to happen...just dont bring politics into sports...what's next religion? that would go over very well, im sure.
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Religion is in sports, though. Every other athlete who wins a championship thanks his lord and savior Jesus Christ. I'm not a Christian, but I support their right to celebrate its influence on their life. One of the reasons I am rooting for Tim Tebow is how open and honest he is about his beliefs. He has the balls to say what he thinks, while maintaining a sense of decorum and not shoving it down anybody's throat. I don't believe a lot of the things Tim Tebow believes, but I respect the hell out of him. He even has Biblical passages on his eye black strips. I don't see it as a problem.
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