Don't you have some slaves to take care of.....oh wait you slavers lost the war and your slaves. What a shame. I am sure there are still several elections you can rig.


Just when I started to move on from Missouri, you go and remind me why I hate Missouri. Ah the good old hatred of Missouri. Muck Fizzou.

 

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Well its offical, Mizzou to the SEC. I have to say the more I hear people talk about ending the Border War the less I like the idea. I hate to say you are right but really there is no good reason to end the rivalry, and there is no real reason to be upset that Mizzou is even going to the SEC. Who cares if Mizzou goes to the SEC. Nothing is going to change. Now instead of being Texas and Oklahoma's easy victory they are Alabama, LSU, and Florida's easy victory. Instead of competing with KU, ISU, and Baylor for bottom of their conference in football they will now compete with UK, Ole Miss and Vandervilt for bottom of their conference. The only thing that might change is they will have a much better shot to win a basketball regular season title. I guess this year will potentially be the last Border War game (I heard somewhere we were under contract until 2012 in Arrowhead, so maybe next year if this is true), and that is very sad. We should keep the football rivalry alive, and if at all possible try to get a home and home scheduled for basketball (I like Mizzou in AFH every year, but I will settle for every other year if I have to). However, I still refuse to play them in a B-Ball game in KC, that is not acceptable. Hopefully the two sides will come together in the next few months and work something out.

 

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Pretty much an accurate description... I am hoping that after everyone calms down there are more attitudes like yours about the game. Right now its basically trading a win for MU in football for a win for ku in basketball each year!

I like the football game in KC since its a good sized stadium, good payday for both teams, and an be a good atmosphere. However, I am with you that basketball should be played at the home courts..

Only thing I would debate is that basketball would be easier in the SEC year in and year out. In all honesty, the Big 12 has KU and the SEC has UK. Other than that there really is no other perennial power. Texas ~ Florida maybe...

 

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Hey Amendial, how is tardvaris Jackson doing? Is he really sticking it to the Vikings like we knew he always could? That kid is headed for the hall of fame, i tell ya!

 

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Dont discredit West Va, Texas has turned into an annual power as well. The Big 12 has more decent teams than the SEC does. That all could change in a few years, but right now it is hard to get excited about SEC basketball which struggles to send more than a couple teams to the tournament, whereas the Big 12 is always sending half the conference. The new Big 12 should remain pretty stacked in basketball. KU, Texas, West Va as a good solid base, and then teams like Baylor, Ok State, Oklahoma who have a chance to be good to great off and on. That is over half the conference right there. If the Big 12 grabs Louisville in a few years that just adds another great school to the list. SEC has UK and that is it. Florida has been mostly garbage since their mini dynasty broke up. No one else has stepped up. Although I would not sleep on Arkansas in a few years. Great hire by them when they hired Anderson.

 

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not sure if serious... Didn't you give me crap for the past few years because Anderson sucked??


I guess I should clarify, the Big 12 is a better overall basketball conference - I wasn't really debating that. What I meant is that the Big 12 title goes through kansas. In the SEC it goes through Kentucky. While there are more teams that can win the title in the Big 12 depending upon the year, in most years it is kansas and 1-2 other teams... maybe. In the SEC Mizzou becomes one of the 1-2 other teams out of the gate (depending upon Haith) but they were not typically in that realm in the Big 12. So it might get easier in the SEC, it still has to go through that one dominant team every year. You are factually correct, I was just saying that they might move up from the 4-7th place range in the Big 12 to the 2-5 range in the SEC, but until they get their act together against elite talent, we won't be winning anything in the SEC either.

 

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I only said Anderson sucks because he was the coach of Missouri and he was moderately successful. That automatically means a coach sucks in my opinion. The good coaches are the ones who take Mizzou to losing seasons. I would not really put Kentucky up on the level of KU just yet. Kansas has proven over the past decade that they can dominate year in and year out, Kentucky has not shown that yet. Lets not forget, just about three years ago Kentucky was just another team in the SEC, even to the point where they missed the tournament a couple times last decade. Winning the Big 12 over Kansas the past decade was a much greater accomplishment than winning the SEC over Kentucky. But you right for the next couple of years, Kentucky is where the SEC title will run through. However, if you take care of business against the mid level SEC teams you can possibly win the SEC easier in the years where Kentucky has to come to Columbia. Mizzou is good at home, and when they get Kentucky at home they could easily have a leg up on winning the SEC regular season title. Not having to play that top tier team twice a season for Mizzou will be a blessing.


Also I read today that Haith wants to continue the rivalry as a home and home series in basketball. I am glad to see someone with the potential power to do something about it is looking at leaving the basketball series as a home and home. I think this will get done eventually and the Border War will not miss a beat, but we will see.

 

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Mizzou will be in the East division with Kentucky so it's my understanding that we have a home/home with each of the East teams and then alternate years with the west. 19 conference games... But your point is pretty valid - I had forgotten how bad the SEC was prior to Florida's rise (then Kentucky).

Actually, Mizzou will enter the SEC while the power is much like the old division of the Big 12. In the Big 12 MU was in the north while the majority of the football power was in the South. In the SEC right now, most of the football power is in the West. In basketball most of the good teams are in the East, much like the better basketball teams were in the North division.

 

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My understanding is that the SEC is not going to use divisions in basketball. They will play all 13 teams once and then three local teams twice. For Mizzou it looks like that could be Arkansas and some combo of the Mississippi teams and Texas A&M. In that setup they would only play Kentucky once per season, and honestly by getting the two Mississippi schools twice they really have an advantage over every school that has to play Kentucky or Florida twice. Even Arkansas is a huge mess right now and it should remain that way for a couple of years until Anderson gets his players into the program. Basketball will be a blessing, and on the football side, Mizzou is coming into the easier of the conference so that is also a blessing. If they stick with a 8 conference game format, then Missouri plays SCU, UF, UGA, Vandy, Kentucky, and Tennessee. That is not any worse than they have been playing in the big 12, and in fact is probably a little easier. Throw in the two games from the other side of the conference which would be Arkansas, and maybe Texas A&M (if they do a two preserved rivalries set up) then it gets a little more difficult, but avoiding Alabama, Auburn and LSU on a yearly basis is a blessing for Missouri. I honestly think the SEC should reform its division to be more competitive. Split up Bama and Auburn on one side with LSU and Arkansas on the other. Add UF and UGA to the Bama Auburn side, and put SCU and Tennesee in the LSU Ark side. You then put the Mississippi school in one of the two divisions and put Vandy and Kentucky in the other. Then you just put Mizzou in one and A&M in the other and you have much more balanced divisions. Rename the divisions to the Slavers (Mizzou has to be in this division ) and the Confederates and you solve the problem of a not being geographic to your division.

 

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