Thank You - I appreciate the apology Berek.

I did not want to get dragged into this drama. But now that you have my attention due to your accusations the other night on /general - I will comment on your original post. I'll try to keep it short and straight to the point.





I'm sure everyone understands the meaning of premier, But here:

Premier is defined as:
- First in status or importance;
- First to occur or exist; earliest.

Adjectives for Premier include:
Most important, influential, or significant: first, foremost, key, leading, main, major, number one, paramount, primary, prime, principal, top.


You honestly believe you and your allegiance is most Important? Number One? Top? Leading? when it comes to questing on TD? I'll point out below how you are not in my opinion:


1. Most Important? This leads me to believe you are just delusional to the fact that other allegiances and players on TD do things without you. Simply because other allegiances do not run "public" quests as often as yours means very little when obtaining a title of "premeir quest clan of TD". You may think you are most important. But if you and your allegiance stopped running these quest I assure you it would affect the majority of TD very little.

2. You stated "The other day, Brain was running one of her daily quests and a Blackmancer clannie (and a friend of Mrs A), not surprisingingly, ran ahead, killed the boss and her group had to wait 20 min for the boss to respawn." Tell me? How does someone who is "premier" or number one get beat to the finish line and end up Number Two? If you truely are the best shouldn't you finish first? I've heard, and seen many complaints when it comes to time invested into your simple quests. It should not take this long to complete these quests.

3. In my eyes, you, or your allegiance is not Top. In fact you are the exact opposite. You are the kindergarden teachers of AC TD questing. You teach, instruct, and assist beginners on how to do quests that have been out for months - years even. Write ups, step by steps have been posted on websites like wiki on how to do the quest. You teach them their "ABC's" and this is not difficult by any means. Who was the first to complete Colo? Who was the first to complete Arebax? These are the people who lead the way and are at the TOP of questing. Not someone who completes these quests months later after the road has been paved.

4. Leading I'm sure everyone can agree with this: Colosseum takes great leadership. It also requires the completion of many many other quests for slayers and what not. It isn't as much of a challenge as it was prior to the introduction of the new loot tier, 8s, epics, etc, etc. Not to mention how easily accessible and cheap rares are now. It was introduced in February 2007.... I give props to the true great leaders who completed the quest years before easy mode. These individuals should be awarded with a title such as the one you have attempted to claim Berek. Much has changed since this time. But with that aside - surely someone who believes he/she is the "premier" the best leader of TD Questing would have led a few win runs on a challenge such as this by now?


I understand and respect what you do. I truly do Berek. It takes a lot of time and self sacrifice no doubt. But you and your allegiances are in no way "the premier quest clan on TD". I'm sorry to knock you off your pedestal.

 

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Perhaps I used the term "premier" out of context. My meaning is and has been that ours is a clan that has a primary focus on running quests and perhaps that we run more quests, in general, than other clans.





For some reason that I do not understand this seems to be difficult to comprehend by the likes of you and Drainne. Herding a group of 15 persons (from different clans, different skill sets and different levels) through a quest takes significantly more time than 1 or 2 people running the same quest. Making sure that everyone is together and caught up, much less the more people you have the more likely you will have afks, disconnects, misunderstandings, getting\waiting for persons who have died, and, of course, the need for multiple boss respawns. (For example, it is not uncommon to have to kill the Paradox Queen a 2nd time, because someone died in the acid or fell in the portal and missed the Queen's corpse). Our goals are to not leave anyone behind and to make sure that everyone gets the reward, if at all possible. Yes, that takes a lot of extra time, but that is the way we quest.





This is another common argument that I have replied to time and again. Colosseum is still (as Drainne pointed out above) a fairly highly selective group of persons. I simply do not nor have not tried to run col wins specifically due to that condition. I have never stated that I was the best leader or a premier leader. All I have stated was that I do not believe that those who critisize my quest time lines could do any better under the same circumstances. Also, as far as winning col, knowing the routine in great detail is key, which I have not made any real effort to learn.

 

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Yes.. you're right it should have been. Thanks for reinforcing my point.

/e weeps for the future.

 

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That quest is a true demonstration of leadership and preparation to not allow it, even if he has yet to finish a successful run under his leadership.

While true Kurpal, there are other quests that can show how good a quester can be. A person could do a solo run on Aerbax's Citadel, hard as hell to solo but it is doable with out bugging him out to make it stupid easy. Same with Delving into Claude's Mind, stupid hard to solo, but it can be done. Even with the new spawns and tactics in the Colo GY, even it is harder now to solo, though it can still be done. Mukkir Aspect of Grael, also can be done solo.

Doing quests like that might be "hard" or lets say difficult with a group, but to be able to solo them is even harder. Any single person with access to AC wiki and the ability to read can play the shepherd to a flock of sheep. But to be the shepherd with no flock and still get the same reward is even better. Knowing how to be a leader is way different then knowing how to lead.


*EDIT* and thats not pointed at you Berek, just a response to Kurpal.

*shrug* Troll away, but the original point to the challenge was for Drainne to perform the same task in 20 minutes that he said takes me, or Brain, 4 hours (see the same statement by Hot). He chose to pull the col card, which was not a viable example to my point.

 

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I do not believe that for a minute, lol.

 

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I am disappoint! You guys should be fighting bad monsters in the game, not each other. It makes Asheron weep.

 

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Berek I think what people are trying to tell you is that there is no skill in reading a wiki walkthrough and plodding along taking 4 hours to do a 30 min quest.


Maybe you should try actually leading a group on a new quest that has never been done yet. Then figuring out the best strategies on your own and not riding others coat tails.


I have about 50 examples but here is a few off the top of my head.


Every single Void Shadow quest I figured out on patch day solo and then took groups of people for the next 2 weeks until I ran out of toons to help on. Who was the first person on the server to do part 3 which is the hardest? It was Blackmancer solo with zero rares. I used that strategy and modified depending on the uberness of who went. I took anyone who had a timer up.


Aerbax. There was no strategy or wiki walkthrough when I helped release him and got the kill on him. Those who died had to run the entire maze back to the end to rejoin the fight and we still beat him before most other servers. No rares.


Uber Aerlinthe - Guess who figured that one out on TD first. I triggered the watchman and recruited the first 9 people to come MP that wanted to try that quest. It took 2 tries becase we had no idea what to expect at the end, but I went back with a strategy we owned it. No rares


Castle of Lord Mhoire - Oh yea. Soloed it first on TD to figure it out. Then was 2nd to do it also to help the next closest guy to finishing it. Helped several others who asked or needed help. No rares


There is so many smaller easier quests hardly worth mentioning but in case you are ever wondering who was in the first group or first to solo Forgotten Tunnels of Nyrleha, Prodigal Shadow, Prodigal Olthoi, Society Tactical Defense game, Prodigal Harby, every single Jester quest, etc, etc, etc, etc.


You make me cry berek to trying to put your name into any conversation about good questers. Thor, Drainne, Azhrarn the Black, Jurist, Chavez Ding, G T, Fist-I, Rocklord, Optoman, Julian, Mithan all have helped blaze trails and I'll listen to any of them in a sentence about great questers but you just make me sad.


None of the quests I mentioned require the amount of pure teamwork and leadership as coloseum which you seeem to avoid for some reason.


Beating Col and killing Diemos is 10 times easier than it was back 2 years ago but its still a decent gauge of ones ability to either follow or lead effectively. I respect those people who do it today even if it is easier.


I make no effort to do Col anymore but have 30-40 successful leads under my belt and another 100+ wins on top of that. Being the first person to kill Diemos and 11 Toons with Diemos access is a lot of experience so I don't blame you for trying to diminish col as a quest guage. I would if I were you also.

 

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