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Seffrid  1 star
Title: Ancient One
Posts: 111
Registered: 2001-12-21 08:33:14
Why are you so afraid of a world in which people can be arrested because there is evidence of their intent to commit a crime? No-one is suggesting that people should be arrested without such evidence or a fair trial, least of all me. Do they actually have to commit the crime before you would have them arrested?
Vyxar  2 stars
Title: Arbiter Elegantiarum
Posts: 329
Registered: 2002-3-13 04:54:08
Seffrid posted:

Why are you so afraid of a world in which people can be arrested because there is evidence of their intent to commit a crime? No-one is suggesting that people should be arrested without such evidence or a fair trial, least of all me. Do they actually have to commit the crime before you would have them arrested?



Why are you so afraid of freedom?

The philosophy of control based on what the Govt perceives as the intent of people is pure insanity. We live in a world where what you do matters not what you want to do. Otherwise there's be a lot more supermodel marrying, billion dollar making, adonis looking, Einsteins out there.

I can intend to do a lot of things but in the immortal words of one Mr Richard Feynmann it's not what you "can" do it's what you "do" do.

We don't arrest people for crimes they might commit very often and nearly every time we start down that path whether it's drug or gun stings or to catch a predator it runs into trouble.

 

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Quazimortal  4 stars
Title: The One and Only
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I don't think Vyxar is choosing to be a productive member of this conversation. That would require reading.


Okay, so according to Vyxar if we have evidence that someone could very likely be a terrorist we should just leave him alone until the bomb explodes. Fun times!

 

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Seffrid  1 star
Title: Ancient One
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Quazimortal posted:

I don't think Vyxar is choosing to be a productive member of this conversation. That would require reading.


Okay, so according to Vyxar if we have evidence that someone could very likely be a terrorist we should just leave him alone until the bomb explodes. Fun times!



Thank you. At last someone gets the point.
Greybear1andonly  1 star
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Possession of the BOMB is in itself a crime. Possession of the components is not otherwise we would have to lock up EVERY farmer and greenhouse operator since they would have the fertilizer and timers on their lights.


Owning a Gun is not a crime, criminals use guns, therefore not all gun owners are criminals. You can make laws against guns, but only the onest people follow the law which makes use more unsafe because its the dishonest people that you really dont want to be in possession of the gun.
Vyxar  2 stars
Title: Arbiter Elegantiarum
Posts: 329
Registered: 2002-3-13 04:54:08
Seffrid posted:

Quazimortal posted:

I don't think Vyxar is choosing to be a productive member of this conversation. That would require reading.


Okay, so according to Vyxar if we have evidence that someone could very likely be a terrorist we should just leave him alone until the bomb explodes. Fun times!



Thank you. At last someone gets the point.



You 2 can have each other. For centuries Earth was the center of the universe. Not "could very likely be" it was. Then someone a little bit more informed figured out it wasn't.

The guy next door could very likely be a communist. You should arrest him!

 

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Seffrid  1 star
Title: Ancient One
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Greybear1andonly posted:

Possession of the BOMB is in itself a crime. Possession of the components is not otherwise we would have to lock up EVERY farmer and greenhouse operator since they would have the fertilizer and timers on their lights.



They'd have nothing to suggest any illicit intent. On the other hand, what about the basement flat dweller who possesses those components along with an internet manual on bomb-making? Presumably you'd leave him alone as he isn't breaking any law? The experience of the UK anti-terrorist police is that by the time someone has assembled a bomb it's probably too late, the time left to catch him before he uses it is too short, hence it's better to pick him up along with the evidence of what he was planning to do rather than give him the chance to do it. However, you keep him under surveillance until you're satisfied the evidence is there, rather than simply acting on unfounded suspicion.
Ookane  1 star
Title: Moderator
Posts: 75
Registered: 2002-10-15 12:42:14
Vyxar posted:

The guy next door could very likely be a communist. You should arrest him!



Last time I checked, being communist is not against the law. Of course, it's a broken idea, but I digress.

 

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Locuus posted:

Seems like everyone is coming with ways to control what people do. Cell phones track where you go without permission, On Star tracks as well and can stop your car without permission, the government can arrest call people terrorists and arrest them on suspicion only, and now MS is going a step further with this - they will be able to remove programs including any of the content generated by the programs from people's computers without asking.

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/windows_8_apps_can_be_remotely_removed_microsoft



You left out Amazon removed "1984" from Kindles without permission.

 

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Koneg  3 stars
Title: Evil Genius
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Registered: 2001-12-4 15:31:28
Locuus posted:

Seems like everyone is coming with ways to control what people do. Cell phones track where you go without permission, On Star tracks as well and can stop your car without permission, the government can arrest call people terrorists and arrest them on suspicion only, and now MS is going a step further with this - they will be able to remove programs including any of the content generated by the programs from people's computers without asking.


http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/windows_8_apps_can_be_remotely_removed_microsoft

Nitpick: Only apps purchased through their version of their App Store will have this capability, and used primarily for malicious apps that make it through their screening process.


Given what happened to the Android app market at start-up this is a sensible precaution.

 

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