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NuEM  4 stars
Posts: 1,007
Registered: 2004-3-2 09:08:11
So are you going to pick up your guns and fight for you freedom? I mean that's why you have them right? Freeedooooom!

 

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Voodoo-Dahl  2 stars
Posts: 469
Registered: 2002-5-11 05:11:16
Remnant_OBrien posted:

Reluctantly doesn't need quotes.


There's been a lot of misinformation.


Here's Carl Levin's statement from the floor of the Senate about the contents of the bill and the negotiations with the administration.


http://www.lawfareblog.com/2011/11/please-read-the-damn-bill-senate-debate-on-the-ndaa/


Transcript posted:

The administration officials reviewed the draft language for this provision the day before our markup and recommended additional changes. We were able to accommodate those recommendations, except for the administration request that the provision apply only to detainees who are captured overseas. There is a good reason for that. But even here, the difference is relatively modest, because the provision already excludes all U.S. citizens. It also excludes all lawful residents of the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution. The only covered persons left are those who are illegally in this country or who arrive as tourists or on some other short-term basis, and that is a small remaining category, but an important one, because it includes the terrorists who clandestinely arrive in the United States with the objective of attacking military or other targets here.


Contrary to some statements I have seen in the press, the detainee provisions in our bill do not include new authority for the permanent detention of suspected terrorists. Rather, the bill uses language provided by the administration to codify existing authority that was adopted by both the Bush administration and the Obama administration and that has been upheld in the Federal courts.


Moreover, the bill requires for the first time that any detainee who will be held in long-term military custody anywhere in the world would have access to a process that includes a military judge and a military lawyer.



A video exists that was edited to make it seem like the administration took the opposite stance.


Read the following.


http://www.politicususa.com/en/ndaa-breitbarted


The Obama administration has been consistent on their stance on this. On a bill that has been passed annually for the last 50 years or so.



Wow. Even many liberals I know, including me believed the quotes we read from Levin. This doesn't change everything but it definitely gives standing to the post I quoted earlier about this being standard political lose-lose situation designed to weaken the president. Even the MSM is helping out it seems.


Amazing. Just amazing.
Abaddon_Ambrosius  4 stars
Title: Retired Theurgist TL
Posts: 1,674
Registered: 2001-12-21 09:51:39
If this isn't quickly deemed unconstitutional, it's all over but the crying.

Monstrous.

They're pretty much making it clear that the US government ALREADY has the right to indefinitely detain citizens, as far as the executive is concerned.

 

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Remnant_OBrien  2 stars
Posts: 297
Registered: 2003-5-11 17:03:52
Sorry if Carl Levin says that the bill doesn't do something it doesn't do something. I know him, he knows his shit when it comes to legislation.

The US. Govenrment already has whatever rights.. The Federal courts have already weighed in. The time to do something about it would have been under Bush when you all weren't objecting. This bill does nothing in that regard.

 

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Abaddon_Ambrosius  4 stars
Title: Retired Theurgist TL
Posts: 1,674
Registered: 2001-12-21 09:51:39
Dumbass. I objected and object to pretty much the entirety of anything that happened under lil' Bush.

 

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