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Cawlin  4 stars
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Registered: 2005-2-22 07:58:42
sweeny_comodore posted:

Cawlin posted:

ITT: People who don't know anything about physics, chemistry, or cooking.


Cast iron is wonderful for cooking for some things. For doing things like pan cooking a steak, it's the go-to choice if you can't grill.

For cooking eggs, scrambled, fried, over easy, etc., non-stick is the way to go unless you've got a flat-top grill in your home.

As for "good" cookware - I prefer the stainless steel sandwich construction like All-clad over anodized aluminum like Calphalon for all non-cast-iron and non-teflon cooking.


Two hints to people who don't understand how to use non-stick cookware:

1) You can boil water over a campfire in a paper cup or even a styrofoam cup. Think about it.

2) You very rarely need more than medium heat to cook anything on your stovetop. If you are doing "true" saute cooking (most people who say they are, aren't) you will want more than "medium" heat, you want your pan "rocket hot" as AB says, AND you won't be using anything as thin as a non-stick pan anyway, nor would you be using something like cast iron, though you COULD with an exquisitely seasoned cast iron - most people don't own one of these and the "pre-seasoned" ones you get from Lodge won't cut it - though those are excellent.



note to cawlin: latent heat of evaporation only works when a change in state of matter is occuring.
tell us what temp a steak melts at, or boils, and maybe then your latent heat of evaporation comment will matter some.


teflon is toxic above 250 degrees.
keep using it. we need to thin herd some.


when my ex moved in with me, the first thing she did was buy a teflon pan and hid my cast iron. i told her to never serve me anything cooked in that pan. i hid it and refused to let her cook unless it was with me doing big breakfasts when she would man one of my skillets while i did the other. she learned to love my cast iron. i think shes even converting her parents to cast iron now.



My remark about boiling water was not about latent heat or about changes in states of matter. It was about the fact that with non-stick pans, if you let them sit on a burner with nothing in them, they will of course get too hot and become unsafe. However, if you actually are cooking with them with food in the pan, the food will cook before they get too hot - ESPECIALLY if you don't put the heat over medium.

As for toxicity of teflon, I guarantee you that on a daily basis you ingest and inhale more toxic vapors and fumes working around boat engines and all those solvents than you would ingest from 20 years of cooking over medium heat with a teflon pan. You're like the Amish or something about this dude. Lighten up and accept that there may be some exaggeration in the stories you've heard about Teflon's toxicity.

http://lowfatcooking.about.com/od/healthandfitness/a/nonstickpans.htm

 

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sweeny_comodore  4 stars
Posts: 1,216
Registered: 2007-8-23 18:47:04
Cawlin posted:

sweeny_comodore posted:

Cawlin posted:

ITT: People who don't know anything about physics, chemistry, or cooking.


Cast iron is wonderful for cooking for some things. For doing things like pan cooking a steak, it's the go-to choice if you can't grill.

For cooking eggs, scrambled, fried, over easy, etc., non-stick is the way to go unless you've got a flat-top grill in your home.

As for "good" cookware - I prefer the stainless steel sandwich construction like All-clad over anodized aluminum like Calphalon for all non-cast-iron and non-teflon cooking.


Two hints to people who don't understand how to use non-stick cookware:

1) You can boil water over a campfire in a paper cup or even a styrofoam cup. Think about it.

2) You very rarely need more than medium heat to cook anything on your stovetop. If you are doing "true" saute cooking (most people who say they are, aren't) you will want more than "medium" heat, you want your pan "rocket hot" as AB says, AND you won't be using anything as thin as a non-stick pan anyway, nor would you be using something like cast iron, though you COULD with an exquisitely seasoned cast iron - most people don't own one of these and the "pre-seasoned" ones you get from Lodge won't cut it - though those are excellent.



note to cawlin: latent heat of evaporation only works when a change in state of matter is occuring.
tell us what temp a steak melts at, or boils, and maybe then your latent heat of evaporation comment will matter some.


teflon is toxic above 250 degrees.
keep using it. we need to thin herd some.


when my ex moved in with me, the first thing she did was buy a teflon pan and hid my cast iron. i told her to never serve me anything cooked in that pan. i hid it and refused to let her cook unless it was with me doing big breakfasts when she would man one of my skillets while i did the other. she learned to love my cast iron. i think shes even converting her parents to cast iron now.



My remark about boiling water was not about latent heat or about changes in states of matter. It was about the fact that with non-stick pans, if you let them sit on a burner with nothing in them, they will of course get too hot and become unsafe. However, if you actually are cooking with them with food in the pan, the food will cook before they get too hot - ESPECIALLY if you don't put the heat over medium.

As for toxicity of teflon, I guarantee you that on a daily basis you ingest and inhale more toxic vapors and fumes working around boat engines and all those solvents than you would ingest from 20 years of cooking over medium heat with a teflon pan. You're like the Amish or something about this dude. Lighten up and accept that there may be some exaggeration in the stories you've heard about Teflon's toxicity.

http://lowfatcooking.about.com/od/healthandfitness/a/nonstickpans.htm



im sure theres a ton of exaggeration, its the same type of over the top, sky is falling, crap that the plastic bottle scare is, and global warming....

when i left my folks house, i took moms cast iron skillet since she never used it and wouldnt miss it.
its all ive ever used and its all i ever will use. my cast iron collection has no grown to include even a wok.
i just find that toxicity reports a convient excuse to push my agenda of all cast iron, all the time

 

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eodoll  4 stars
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Registered: 2002-2-14 12:35:42
Isnt it difficult to clean cast iron?

Ex. No dishwasher, no soap, no hot water, heavy, etc... Seems inconvenient.

I keep a cast iron pan in my bbq grill, i like cooking bacon and grilling onit outside. It prevents flare ups and all the smoke has a place to go.
sweeny_comodore  4 stars
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Registered: 2007-8-23 18:47:04
eodoll posted:

Isnt it difficult to clean cast iron?



only if you also have problems cleaning your ass

 

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Aerlinthian  4 stars
Posts: 2,126
Registered: 2001-5-7 23:53:38
Ceramic nonstick? First I've heard of it as well. If it is truly inert, I'd be interested in checking it out.
sweeny_comodore  4 stars
Posts: 1,216
Registered: 2007-8-23 18:47:04
sweeny_comodore posted:

eodoll posted:

Isnt it difficult to clean cast iron?



only if you also have problems cleaning your ass



it might also be difficult to clean if youre a pussy

 

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ZigmundZag  4 stars
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Registered: 2002-3-25 23:03:00
Aerlinthian posted:

Ceramic nonstick? First I've heard of it as well. If it is truly inert, I'd be interested in checking it out.

It's never a good sign when antisemites take an interest in nonstick ceramic.

 

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Eternal_Midnight  2 stars
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Registered: 2000-5-11 13:44:32
eodoll posted:

Isnt it difficult to clean cast iron?

Ex. No dishwasher, no soap, no hot water, heavy, etc... Seems inconvenient.

I keep a cast iron pan in my bbq grill, i like cooking bacon and grilling onit outside. It prevents flare ups and all the smoke has a place to go.



Indeed. It is very inconvenient to have to take a cloth and wipe it over the cooking surface once. That's how hard it is to keep a cast iron skillet (and a non-stick pan) clean.

 

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eodoll  4 stars
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Registered: 2002-2-14 12:35:42
How is that clean? Thats wiped but not washed.
Elkad  2 stars
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Posts: 407
Registered: 2003-9-11 22:20:55
That's about all I do to clean non-stick pans. Of the Teflon or cast iron variety. They are as clean as anything else you wash and stick back in the cabinet. And you are going to pre-heat (and thus sterilize) them before use anyway.

 

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