What does being the best person have to do with politics?


Are you suggesting that the politics don't matter?


Like I said you are just a whiny lil dumbass bitch.

 

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So you don't care if there are better candidates out there, you are content to simply have your party on top, even if they don't do most of the stuff they pledged.
Got it.

Like I said, most of you are like abused women, going back to the same abuse time after time.

 

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In 1976, Gerald Ford was primaried by Ronald Reagan. Ford won the nomination and lost the election.

in 1980, Ted Kennedy primaried Jimmy Carter. Carter won the nomination and lost the election.

Those are the last two examples we have of incumbent sitting presidents getting primaried.

There is a reason we are all saying it's political suicide - it is.

 

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You are comparing the weakest republican and the weakest dem since the 1930's to Obama's chances in the same situation? I am not sure whether to laugh or ponder this, Tali.

 

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It has nothing to do with the candidate and everything to do with the strength of the party.

Parties are absolutely essential to winning national elections - it takes a long time to build local networks and infrastructure capable of doing all the things that need to be done to get in races, stay in races, comply with the election laws, deal with messaging and communications, handle logistics, etc., etc., etc. As much as you like to demagogague them, these are people that share common sets of beliefs and goals that band together to do the best they can to see them achieved - left or right. We like to paint pictures of the party faithful as union thugs, rahm emmanuel types and the new black panther, but the vast majority of political party members on both sides are good people that work the democratic process in an honest way and believe in our processes. Those people are how you get elected. And political parties is how you organize to get it done.

Primarying an incumbent politician does nothing but waste resources. The party consumes a huge portion of it's warchest and energy fighting each other in a primary, entering the general election in a terribly vulnerable and weakened state. This is also why it's so difficult to beat an incumbent executive.

That is the lesson taken from both the 76 and 80 elections. It's basic political strategy and pretty much gospel at this point.

I suppose I shouldn't be so terribly surprised that you know so shockingly little about the political system you constantly bleat on about being broken and needing to be replaced, but I am.

 

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The two party system is broke and stupid. OFN. As it stands, the person that is in the white house makes very little difference. All that matters is if it's a (R) or a (D)

Seriously, how often do you get to vote for a great candidate? The way things work now, pretty much never. The two party a monopoly has a stranglehold on the US government. Wouldn't it be awesome to rate 10 candidates instead of choosing 1 and making no statement at all about any of the others?

 

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The two party monopoly is the direct result of people who complain about it but never actually do anything about it. Put in the legwork. Get more parties going. If you want more choices, create them.


The Republican party had to fight and claw it's way into the electorate.

 

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I guess its not your fault that you have such a short attention span. And to think, the next generation is going to be worse.

 

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How much difference do you think there is between those two, Altra?

 

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Aside from Moe's stupidity regarding a primary challenge to Obama...

The most baffling thing is that Moe doesn't get that the person Republicans think can best beat Obama is what the Republican party wants.. that or the person who will give Obama the biggest middle finger.

 

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