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_Enkidu_  Title: Zen Badger
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As I keep saying, of course right and wrong can be determined by science, it happens all the time.
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Sin_of_Onin  Posts: 1,307
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NuEM posted:
You just define what you want to optimize, and then do the right decisions. Happiness in the broader sense seems like a great choice to me. Then all you do need is perfect knowledge and then you can always make the optimal decision.
Defining what to optimize is another way of deciding what is right and wrong and the primary point of discussion.
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Sin_of_Onin Posts: 1,307
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_Enkidu_ posted:
As I keep saying, of course right and wrong can be determined by science, it happens all the time.
Name an example.
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_Enkidu_ Title: Zen Badger
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Science is in the business of differentiating right from wrong.
For example:
Is the earth the center of the universe. No that's wrong.
Is the earth part of larger universe with its postion in it constantly changing. Yes, that's right.
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Sin_of_Onin Posts: 1,307
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If you don't want to answer the question then don't.
The context is clearly with regard to moral questions of right and wrong.
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Modeeb Title: A Ghost In The Machine
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First, I need to correct myself. The metaphyical category is Transcendental Idealism and not Transcendental Realism. In your world, numbers are mind-dependent in my world numbers are mind independent. The number three doesnt cease to exist if I am no longer around. It existed before me and after me. It is a universal. Universals are abstract objects. Abstract objects exist outside of space and time. They are mind independent.
I'm a mystic of sorts. This is my fundamental approach to Reality. This is why intuition in my worldview does different work for me than in your world. Thus, I have used a concrete example how a different metaphysical position affects your epistemology (theory of knowledge).
In my world there is unknowing-knowing in an unknowing way- this is basically being able to say: I dont know, but following a real pull towards something, which has a gravity I perceive. Words (language) breaks down and only capture a small part of Reality,
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NuEM Posts: 1,007
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Sin_of_Onin posted:
NuEM posted:
You just define what you want to optimize, and then do the right decisions. Happiness in the broader sense seems like a great choice to me. Then all you do need is perfect knowledge and then you can always make the optimal decision.
Defining what to optimize is another way of deciding what is right and wrong and the primary point of discussion.
No, that comes built in. 
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_Enkidu_ Title: Zen Badger
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Sin_of_Onin posted:
If you don't want to answer the question then don't.
The context is clearly with regard to moral questions of right and wrong.
I most certainly did answer the question, what you fail at is reading. Moral issues are no different than any other topic. Read the OP on slavery and women's rights, which are clearly both moral issues that older epistemologies got wrong. As science has clearly demonstrated, women are just as capable at making decisions as men and there is absolutely no reason to subjugate anyone because of their skin color.
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Sin_of_Onin Posts: 1,307
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NuEM posted:
No, that comes built in.
Yes our moral compass come built in.
Intuition is on his list btw.
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_Enkidu_ Title: Zen Badger
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Modeeb posted:
First, I need to correct myself. The metaphyical category is Transcendental Idealism and not Transcendental Realism. In your world, numbers are mind-dependent in my world numbers are mind independent. The number three doesnt cease to exist if I am no longer around. It existed before me and after me. It is a universal. Universals are abstract objects. Abstract objects exist outside of space and time. They are mind independent.
I'm a mystic of sorts. This is my fundamental approach to Reality. This is why intuition in my worldview does different work for me than in your world. Thus, I have used a concrete example how a different metaphysical position affects your epistemology.
I'd be open to discussing another way (whatever you might be thinking about) of knowing things, but I'm going to be pretty sure it will fall into one of the existing categories. People a lot smarter than us have debating them a very long time.
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