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Sin_of_Onin  Posts: 1,307
Registered: 2005-6-29 08:21:12
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_Enkidu_ posted:
Not sure you can learn from silence, pretty sure you have to be trying to communicate information in someway.
Odd you should pick science deciding the morality of death yuki, since it is used in thousands of ways to decide who lives and who dies everyday. Everything from vehicle safety laws, food contamination levels, to air and water quality and everything in between use science to set the acceptable level of death. In fact almost all of our codified morality in the US is based on science and not the bible.
Thank god for secularism! 
Wow you are confused about what is being talked about.
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_Enkidu_  Title: Zen Badger
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You're just being willfully stupid now, Onin. You learned your morality, just as I learned mine, just as everyone else in the world learned theirs.
To think it happens any other way is looney. 
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Sin_of_Onin Posts: 1,307
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_Enkidu_ posted:
You're just being willfully stupid now, Onin. You learned your morality, just as I learned mine, just as everyone else in the world learned theirs.
To think it happens any other way is looney.
So you think babies are not born with empathy?
To be clear my claim is that what we call morality and how we come to our moral beliefs is in part present at birth. It is obviously not fully developed and won't be until much later in life. Mid twenties for men from what I understand.
None of this proves a moral question it simply helps establish where we get this moral knowledge from or how we have come to these conclusions. Says nothing about whether we got it right or not.
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Modeeb Title: A Ghost In The Machine
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Silence is letting go of thinking. There is an infinite amount to be learned from silence.
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There are not 4 modes of epistemology, there are 4 modes on how we come to accept facts. Many of those and more are how we come to make moral judgements, ascetic judgements, and more. SiO is correct that we are born with innate empathy, this is probably why it is an argument made by philosophers for a long time that moral knlowledge is a priori, and outside of science. You are extremely foolish to think otherwise, Yuki states it perfectly that science can make no judgement on morality. Indeed SiO is correct that you are confused what is being talked about.
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Ptilk Title: Creepy old pirate
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You guys are getting in too deep here and making things more complex than required.
An individuals moral code is whatever they decide it should be, there is nothing innate about that, it requires you to decide what is right and what is wrong. You can base the decisions you make in this area on anything you want. Anything includes scientific understanding of the world.
Morals don't require logic or reason, but they don't rule them out either.
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Scarne Title: Capo di Scientifico
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Snarf_Igraine posted:
SiO is correct that we are born with innate empathy, this is probably why it is an argument made by philosophers for a long time that moral knlowledge is a priori, and outside of science.
We are born with empathy because it is programmed into our genes. It is part of science, even if we don't know the full mechanisms yet. 
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Z-Elder  Posts: 671
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Someone has been reading too much Dennet. Soon you guys will be back to Skinner vs Chomsky. Then who knows maybe even further back.
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Scarne posted:
Snarf_Igraine posted:
SiO is correct that we are born with innate empathy, this is probably why it is an argument made by philosophers for a long time that moral knlowledge is a priori, and outside of science.
We are born with empathy because it is programmed into our genes. It is part of science, even if we don't know the full mechanisms yet.
Obviously it has a genetic component, similar to spirituality genes. That is not what the point is, as he states that it goes further since science can decide good and bad, right and wrong of moral judgments. Science can’t do that. A lot of other people have stated it pretty clearly why it can’t. Sociological epistemology arguments state it pretty clearly that there are no moral facts since moral disagreements exemplify clashes in moral sensibility rather than differences about matters of fact, and even if moral knowledge did exist the moral facts are RELATIVE to the social group in which moral sensibilities is formed
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GrilledCheez Title: The Lord's Balls
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This thread is ridiculous.
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