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Allstarslacker  3 stars
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Registered: 2006-5-23 20:09:28
Before we ate from that forbidden tree.

A time before we forgot who we were. When we talked truthfully because there was no shame, and we walked in straight lines because we knew where we wanted to go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwNoH6zjc9Q
Altra_Shadowstalker  4 stars
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Before we ate from the tree, we weren't men. Eve and lucifer (lightbringer) saved us from a meaningless existence.

 

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Allstarslacker  3 stars
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Meaning is not dependent on judgement. Judgement is reactive and seeks to prevent that which is deemed undesirable. It can only destroy.
Altra_Shadowstalker  4 stars
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It is not judgement to call a man a man, or a not man a not man.
We were given free will by god and the freedom to use it by lucifer.

 

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Allstarslacker  3 stars
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God and Lucifer are the same.

There is only one.

The fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil is judgement. It is an attractive fruit because it validates our feelings. It allows us to condemn that which we hate, but it also dooms us to that same condemnation.
Altra_Shadowstalker  4 stars
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I see.

I do not look at the liberation stemming from eating of the fruit, but the expulsion from eden. Or maybe that combined with the consumption of the fruit. It does not add meaning by itself or directly, but it does make a part more whole, and that is meaningful.

 

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Allstarslacker  3 stars
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Liberation from what?
Altra_Shadowstalker  4 stars
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Servitude. Giving us free will and not the mechanics to use it. We were unchanging in the Garden, dead. The process that evicted us gave us life.

Not servitude, slavery. My distinction is choice.

 

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Eager_Igraine  4 stars
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Registered: 2002-11-21 11:55:52
Allstarslacker posted:

Before we ate from that forbidden tree.


A time before we forgot who we were. When we talked truthfully because there was no shame, and we walked in straight lines because we knew where we wanted to go.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwNoH6zjc9Q



So your argument is that knowledge of good and evil creates shame and lack of direction, not to mention some kind of identity crisis?

 

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Allstarslacker  3 stars
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The garden was a world without judgement. It was a world in which anything could happen without blame being cast upon it. It was free to be what it was.

God created man to be what he was. To live as he would. Part of that freedom is the ability to judge (eat the fruit), but it is also the ability to abstain from judgement.

All of us have the fruit before us, and all of us must choose to eat from it or to leave it alone.

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