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Ptilk  4 stars
Title: Creepy old pirate
Posts: 2,359
Registered: 2002-2-13 14:52:58
Oh, I'm sure I still will die of a heart attack or stroke. Lived thru 3 of the first and 2 of the second....my number will be up eventually.

Part of it is diet, part of it is lifestyle, and part of it is genetic. I know plenty of vegans who run 5 miles a day, never smoked, look to be in great shape....and they are 1 second away from a massive failure in some organ and immediate death. Just like me.

They certainly enjoy the life they have more than people who sit around drunk on their fat asses, smoking and being too tired to walk 3 feet to the fridge for another bowl of left over ribs however.
reesescups  4 stars
Title: //Captain America
Posts: 2,537
Registered: 2003-5-26 14:45:53
Ptilk posted:

They certainly enjoy the life they have more than people who sit around drunk on their fat asses, smoking and being too tired to walk 3 feet to the fridge for another bowl of left over ribs however.

I think you are understating the level of enjoyment a rack of ribs can bring to a human being.

 

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Ptilk  4 stars
Title: Creepy old pirate
Posts: 2,359
Registered: 2002-2-13 14:52:58
Oh no, I fully understand that. I'm a hedonist by nature.

But once you wake up in CICU with so much pain, even thru the morphine, that you want to scream and then spend months hurting every time you move or cough or breathe.....you somehow lose your appreciation for some foods.

If there is even a chance of avoiding going thru that again by not eating them, I don't want them.
Coriolus  3 stars
Title: Outpost Ice Mexican
Posts: 905
Registered: 2002-5-17 06:20:48
Ptilk posted:

Oh no, I fully understand that. I'm a hedonist by nature.

But once you wake up in CICU with so much pain, even thru the morphine, that you want to scream and then spend months hurting every time you move or cough or breathe.....you somehow lose your appreciation for some foods.

If there is even a chance of avoiding going thru that again by not eating them, I don't want them.



 

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ineenia  2 stars
Posts: 373
Registered: 2005-11-1 04:48:33
Grymlo posted:

Naa vegans are just idiots.



More than likely they are suffering from tofu brain shrinkage

http://www.helium.com/items/1370904-effect-of-soy-products-on-brain-function

Soy shrinks the brain. It's a shocking thought for those who have been consuming soy as a health food or as a staple in their diets, but research has shown that Japanese American men who consumed tofu at least twice weekly had more cognitive impairment and smaller brains than those who rarely or never ate tofu.

The study, conducted by the Hawaii Center for Health Research, involved 3, 734 elderly men over three decades and correlated 27 foods and drinks with the men's health. The men who ate tofu in midlife had 2.4 times the risk of later developing Alzheimer's disease.

Brain shrinkage occurs naturally with age, but these men had a more exaggerated pattern, estimated to have aged five years faster than their counterparts.

Soybean foods contain phytoestrogens, estrogen like compounds that are thought to compete with the body's estrogen for estrogen receptors in cells. Estrogens may be needed for repair of neural structures.

Another theory is that the damage is due to the lack of calcium binding proteins. Calcium binding proteins are associated with protection against neurodegenerative diseases. A soy diet raises phytoestrogens and lowers calcium binding proteins in the brain.

A new study by Oxford University scientists showed that people with the lowest amount of vitamin B12 were found to have the most atrophied brains. They used memory tests, brain scans and physical checks on 107 people aged 61 to 87. In retesting them five years later they discovered that those with the lowest levels of B12 were the most likely to have brain shrinkage. Even those at the lowest levels were not B12 deficient for current standards. Those at the highest levels were six times less likely to show brain shrinkage than those at the lowest levels.

The possible connection with soy? Soy not only does not provide adequate amounts of B12 in the diet for those who don't eat meat or animal products, such as milk and eggs, it is thought to actually increase the need for B12. Phytic acid, or phytates, is an organic acid present in the hull of grains and beans. Phytates bind to B12 and other nutrients in the intestinal tract and keep us from absorbing them. As a legume, soybean has the highest level of phytic acid that we've found. With other beans and grains, the level of phytates can be neutralized by cooking or soaking. That is not the case with soy. Phytates are neutralized by fermentation, which is how soy products are traditionally eaten in Asia, except for tofu. In the western world, the process that makes soy into 'milk', oil, and protein filler for unknown quantities of pre-prepared foods does not remove phytates.

Soy also suppresses thyroid function. Low thyroid function causes mild cognitive impairments.

While further studies are needed and more needs to be known about the exact cause and effect, it appears that this 'healthy' food has a very bad effect on brain function.

 

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Coriolus  3 stars
Title: Outpost Ice Mexican
Posts: 905
Registered: 2002-5-17 06:20:48
ineenia posted:

Grymlo posted:

Naa vegans are just idiots.



More than likely they are suffering from tofu brain shrinkage

http://www.helium.com/items/1370904-effect-of-soy-products-on-brain-function

Soy shrinks the brain. It's a shocking thought for those who have been consuming soy as a health food or as a staple in their diets, but research has shown that Japanese American men who consumed tofu at least twice weekly had more cognitive impairment and smaller brains than those who rarely or never ate tofu.

The study, conducted by the Hawaii Center for Health Research, involved 3, 734 elderly men over three decades and correlated 27 foods and drinks with the men's health. The men who ate tofu in midlife had 2.4 times the risk of later developing Alzheimer's disease.

Brain shrinkage occurs naturally with age, but these men had a more exaggerated pattern, estimated to have aged five years faster than their counterparts.

Soybean foods contain phytoestrogens, estrogen like compounds that are thought to compete with the body's estrogen for estrogen receptors in cells. Estrogens may be needed for repair of neural structures.

Another theory is that the damage is due to the lack of calcium binding proteins. Calcium binding proteins are associated with protection against neurodegenerative diseases. A soy diet raises phytoestrogens and lowers calcium binding proteins in the brain.

A new study by Oxford University scientists showed that people with the lowest amount of vitamin B12 were found to have the most atrophied brains. They used memory tests, brain scans and physical checks on 107 people aged 61 to 87. In retesting them five years later they discovered that those with the lowest levels of B12 were the most likely to have brain shrinkage. Even those at the lowest levels were not B12 deficient for current standards. Those at the highest levels were six times less likely to show brain shrinkage than those at the lowest levels.

The possible connection with soy? Soy not only does not provide adequate amounts of B12 in the diet for those who don't eat meat or animal products, such as milk and eggs, it is thought to actually increase the need for B12. Phytic acid, or phytates, is an organic acid present in the hull of grains and beans. Phytates bind to B12 and other nutrients in the intestinal tract and keep us from absorbing them. As a legume, soybean has the highest level of phytic acid that we've found. With other beans and grains, the level of phytates can be neutralized by cooking or soaking. That is not the case with soy. Phytates are neutralized by fermentation, which is how soy products are traditionally eaten in Asia, except for tofu. In the western world, the process that makes soy into 'milk', oil, and protein filler for unknown quantities of pre-prepared foods does not remove phytates.

Soy also suppresses thyroid function. Low thyroid function causes mild cognitive impairments.

While further studies are needed and more needs to be known about the exact cause and effect, it appears that this 'healthy' food has a very bad effect on brain function.



haha! nice. Most vegans I would say don't eat much soy, at least the ones doing it right. Also just so you feel part of you own party, soy is as common as gluten in processed foods.

 

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dae_trist  4 stars
Posts: 1,049
Registered: 2003-6-5 13:32:39
Ptilk posted:

Oh no, I fully understand that. I'm a hedonist by nature.

But once you wake up in CICU with so much pain, even thru the morphine, that you want to scream and then spend months hurting every time you move or cough or breathe.....you somehow lose your appreciation for some foods.



 

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