Date Posted:1/1/00 12:01amSubject:
TSA detains Rand Paul after he refuses pat down
ZigmundZag posted:
Tipztoe posted: you guys are missing the point.
If airlines want to require security to pat you down, that is up to them. Government has no business doing it, or adding another bloated government agency that taxpayers have to front the bill for, especially when they don't even use it.
You may or may not have a right to fly, but you certainly shouldn't be using tax dollars to decide.
Yeah, we tried it that way for awhile. Until around 2001 or so, I think.
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:01amSubject:
TSA detains Rand Paul after he refuses pat down
Altra_Shadowstalker posted: The airliners are good for the economy. If the choice is that we pay extra for their security or they should be shut down because their failure to protect their passengers and their equipment from being directly involved in the greatest terrorist attack this country has ever seen, resulting in 5,000 dead, two major skyscrapers brought down, the economy tanking, the government launching two wars which cost trillions in dollars and thousands of American lives... I vote we just beef up the security. The taxes they pay when they're not too busy going bankrupt probably makes up for it.
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:01amSubject:
TSA detains Rand Paul after he refuses pat down
Tipztoe posted:
Altra_Shadowstalker posted: The airliners are good for the economy. If the choice is that we pay extra for their security or they should be shut down because their failure to protect their passengers and their equipment from being directly involved in the greatest terrorist attack this country has ever seen, resulting in 5,000 dead, two major skyscrapers brought down, the economy tanking, the government launching two wars which cost trillions in dollars and thousands of American lives... I vote we just beef up the security. The taxes they pay when they're not too busy going bankrupt probably makes up for it.
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:01amSubject:
TSA detains Rand Paul after he refuses pat down
Tipztoe posted: you guys are missing the point.
If airlines want to require security to pat you down, that is up to them. Government has no business doing it, or adding another bloated government agency that taxpayers have to front the bill for, especially when they don't even use it.
You may or may not have a right to fly, but you certainly shouldn't be using tax dollars to decide.
Are tax dollars really being used?
When you guy an airline ticket you pay a fee for TSA 'services'.
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:01amSubject:
TSA detains Rand Paul after he refuses pat down
theredkay1 posted:
Tipztoe posted: you guys are missing the point.
If airlines want to require security to pat you down, that is up to them. Government has no business doing it, or adding another bloated government agency that taxpayers have to front the bill for, especially when they don't even use it.
You may or may not have a right to fly, but you certainly shouldn't be using tax dollars to decide.
Are tax dollars really being used?
When you guy an airline ticket you pay a fee for TSA 'services'.
The number of aspects surrounding the aeronautics industry that tax dollars subsidize is absurd. The TSA is just the tip of the iceberg and probably fairly insignificant comparatively speaking. I'm not defending the TSA, but rather trying to point out how much money we do spend in tax dollars on the jets, the fuel, the buildings and the other daily operating costs of these airports.
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:01amSubject:
TSA detains Rand Paul after he refuses pat down
Tipztoe posted:
Altra_Shadowstalker posted: The airliners are good for the economy. If the choice is that we pay extra for their security or they should be shut down because their failure to protect their passengers and their equipment from being directly involved in the greatest terrorist attack this country has ever seen, resulting in 5,000 dead, two major skyscrapers brought down, the economy tanking, the government launching two wars which cost trillions in dollars and thousands of American lives... I vote we just beef up the security. The taxes they pay when they're not too busy going bankrupt probably makes up for it.
how many of those pilots were Iraqi again?
How many were Afghani? Do you really want to derail this thread?
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Date Posted:1/1/00 12:01amSubject:
TSA detains Rand Paul after he refuses pat down
Bowlartz posted: "Free speech doesnt cover libel or slander."
What does that have to do with my example? If a company genuinely serves a really bad product are you saying you have a right to go into their building and tell the current customers to not buy their product and because you have a "right to free speech" you can not be detained and removed?
There are limits to all rights.
We have a set of checks and balances set up via the Constitution to make sure those limits are narrow and defined.
what if?
what if the company eats babies and sells little girls into slavery?
i bet yould have no problem exercising your right to free speech then, would you? i bet you wouldnt hesitate to go beyond YOUR defined limit of free speech.
i dont think you understand that the limit isnt set by you and your wants.
any existing limit is set by the constitution.
free speech is limited to libel and slander. thats why those laws are there.
the only one who can set a limit on our constitutional rights is the constitution.
at least untill paranoid little people like you start giving them away in the face of fear and terror.
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Date Posted:1/1/00 12:01amSubject:
TSA detains Rand Paul after he refuses pat down
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
The Fourth Amendment (Amendment IV) to the United States Constitution is the part of the Bill of Rights which guards against unreasonable searches and seizures, along with requiring any warrant to be judicially sanctioned and supported by probable cause.It was adopted as a response to the abuse of the writ of assistance, which is a type of general search warrant, in the American Revolution. Search and arrest should be limited in scope according to specific information supplied to the issuing court, usually by a law enforcement officer, who has sworn by it.
what part of that dont you people understand.
boarding a plane is not probable cause. the airlines DO NOT have the ability to demand a search of all boarding passengers.
nobody has a right to touch me, search me, detain me with out probable cause.
NO contract or agreement can violate this.
writ of assistance:
In general, customs writs of assistance served as general search warrants that did not expire, allowing customs officials to search anywhere for smuggled goods without having to obtain a specific warrant. These writs became controversial when they were issued by courts in British America in the 1760s, especially the Province of Massachusetts Bay. Controversy over these general writs of assistance inspired the Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution, which forbids general search warrants in the United States. In the United Kingdom, general writs of assistance continued to be issued until 1819.[6]
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Date Posted:1/1/00 12:01amSubject:
TSA detains Rand Paul after he refuses pat down
sweeny_comodore posted: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
The Fourth Amendment (Amendment IV) to the United States Constitution is the part of the Bill of Rights which guards against unreasonable searches and seizures, along with requiring any warrant to be judicially sanctioned and supported by probable cause.It was adopted as a response to the abuse of the writ of assistance, which is a type of general search warrant, in the American Revolution. Search and arrest should be limited in scope according to specific information supplied to the issuing court, usually by a law enforcement officer, who has sworn by it.
what part of that dont you people understand.
boarding a plane is not probable cause. the airlines DO NOT have the ability to demand a search of all boarding passengers.
nobody has a right to touch me, search me, detain me with out probable cause.
NO contract or agreement can violate this.
writ of assistance:
In general, customs writs of assistance served as general search warrants that did not expire, allowing customs officials to search anywhere for smuggled goods without having to obtain a specific warrant. These writs became controversial when they were issued by courts in British America in the 1760s, especially the Province of Massachusetts Bay. Controversy over these general writs of assistance inspired the Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution, which forbids general search warrants in the United States. In the United Kingdom, general writs of assistance continued to be issued until 1819.[6]
end of discussion.
the TSA and their practices are unconstitutional for the very reason that right was included in the bill of rights to begin with.
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