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FINALLY someone is using the "D" word for Greece
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NuEM
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Registered: 2004-3-2 09:08:11
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FINALLY someone is using the "D" word for Greece
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Rosaria posted:
NuEM posted:
Yeah austerity seems to be working really well... not!
 Austerity in Greece = no longer being able to inherit your father's pension.
Oh come on. You know that's BS. Stuck on the other side?
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Manegarm
Title: European Imperialist Good Guy
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Registered: 2003-8-11 10:01:52
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Rosaria posted:
NuEM posted:
Yeah austerity seems to be working really well... not!
Austerity in Greece = no longer being able to inherit your father's pension.
Is that even true?
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NuEM
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Oh I'm sure you can find a case like that if you keep looking but it has nothing to do with the average guy there.
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theredkay1
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Registered: 2008-5-16 10:37:09
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Rosaria posted:
NuEM posted:
Yeah austerity seems to be working really well... not!
Austerity in Greece = no longer being able to inherit your father's pension.
NuEM's point has been made by many people here. Large spending cuts and tax increases = Austerity. The same people always respond by pretending none of this is happening.
I guess the thinking is....Austerity is a good thing, so if something bad is happening, there must not be austerity. This kind of thinking is very common and unfortunately is usually impervious to facts.
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Szerek
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Testerion posted:
Huges07.1 posted:
Europe would be better off if Hitler had won the war!
1 person running things > 27 Presidents, 27 Prime Ministers, 27 Parliaments and 27000 bureaucrats running things.
You guys think you have large government? Try being ruled by 27 large governments plus an multinational commission atop of it!
This would be true if we were ruled by government, but we we aren't. Corporate America rules rules us. I'm not too familiar with the EU. How true is that of the member countries? Do corporations pull the strings at all, or do the people still retain a bit of power?
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Manegarm
Title: European Imperialist Good Guy
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Szerek posted:
Testerion posted:
Huges07.1 posted:
Europe would be better off if Hitler had won the war!
1 person running things > 27 Presidents, 27 Prime Ministers, 27 Parliaments and 27000 bureaucrats running things.
You guys think you have large government? Try being ruled by 27 large governments plus an multinational commission atop of it!
This would be true if we were ruled by government, but we we aren't. Corporate America rules rules us. I'm not too familiar with the EU. How true is that of the member countries? Do corporations pull the strings at all, or do the people still retain a bit of power?
In Sweden the corporations don't pull as much sway since they do not fund the electoral process in the same way as in the US, our politicians do not need to prostitute themselves to get elected thus they represent us and not the corporations.
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theredkay1 posted:
Rosaria posted:
Austerity in Greece = no longer being able to inherit your father's pension.
NuEM's point has been made by many people here. Large spending cuts and tax increases = Austerity. The same people always respond by pretending none of this is happening.
I guess the thinking is....Austerity is a good thing, so if something bad is happening, there must not be austerity. This kind of thinking is very common and unfortunately is usually impervious to facts.
Stop! NoooOOOooOOoooo! He's going to use the goldfish again!
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Abaddon_Ambrosius
Title: Retired Theurgist TL
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Registered: 2001-12-21 09:51:39
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Voodoo-Dahl posted:
Stop! NoooOOOooOOoooo! He's going to use the goldfish again!
No, there's room to debate what "austerity" is. I'll give even the idiotic goldfish brigade here that latitude.
The key factors involve level of public and private sector debt, is everything "government tax increases and government spending cuts", and whether other factors like cutting regulation, etc to fuel growth and drive private investment are coming into play.
Of course, all the goldfish brigade will look at is government tax, government distributed funds, 'tax breaks', and government outlays. (IE, if the government isn't controlling and funding it and picking winners/losers, it doesn't count).
Simply hiking taxes to continue funding deficit government spending and honor outrageous, fraudulently-reported, negligently-committed future government outlays & entitlement commitments isn't "austerity". Sorry.
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NuEM
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Szerek posted:
This would be true if we were ruled by government, but we we aren't. Corporate America rules rules us. I'm not too familiar with the EU. How true is that of the member countries? Do corporations pull the strings at all, or do the people still retain a bit of power?
They certainly do have too much power here too, but it manifests differently. Instead of R vs. D we get to play North vs. South.
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theredkay1
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Registered: 2008-5-16 10:37:09
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Austerity has been commonly defined as tax increases and/or spending cuts as a response to the current recession.
Coming up with your own alternative meaning for words really makes conversation difficult. Words have meaning.
If I decide that 'government spending' means 'a plan to send iguana's to the moon' and get all bent out of shape whenever anyone claims Obama is pushing for government spending...well, it gets silly.
Greece is following the generic austerity plan that has received much acclaim on the right in Europe and the US. Its not working very well. This should influence how we react to future calls for austerity.
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