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reesescups  4 stars
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A Christian (generically speaking) is someone that believes Jesus is the Son of God.

Amongst Christians there are many many nutty flavors of belief. The degree of nuttiness doesn't add or subtract from the fact that if they believe Jesus is the Son of God, then they are Christians.

IT IS THAT SIMPLE

 

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ZigmundZag  4 stars
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You can say they're not Lutheran because they don't believe in the Holy Trinity. You can say they're not Catholic because they don't believe in the divinity of Mary. You can't say they're not Christian because they do believe that Jesus was the Son of God who died so that our sins would be forgiven.

 

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Eithne_Boadicea  1 star
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It's really amusing watching you guys all try to thrash around and justify your position when those of us who have actually studied the differences between Mormonism and Biblical Christianity already know they're not the same thing. Mormonism was an offshoot of Christianity during a time of revival in the early 1800s, but it went off in its own direction.

What Christians do you know who believe that there are an infinite number of gods in existence, believe that God the Father had sex with Mary (who was, incidentally, his spiritual offspring, which kind of makes it incestuous), that people can become gods if they follow the Mormon gospel/rules, that Jesus took a side trip to the Americas after being resurrected to visit with Jews who migrated hundreds of years earlier (leaving behind no archaeological evidence of any kind)? If you ask any Christian - Greek Orthodox, Catholic, Methodist, Baptist, Pentacostal, etc. - if they believe that they would look at you like you were crazy and then some.

 

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Yukishiro1  4 stars
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Some Christians believe in transubstantiation, some think that is a bunch of crap. Some believe the bible is the literal word of god, some think that's a bunch of crap. Some Christians think priests can get married, some think they can't. Some believe in the trinity, some don't. Some believe Jesus was both divine and human, some believe he was only divine, some believe the divine and non-divine essences can be seperated, some think can't.


I am hardly an expert and even I could go on for pages about how groups you all consider to be Christian think quite different things on various points of theology. Really the only common point among all Christians is the belief in Christ. Mormons also believe in Christ.


A lot of it is probably just historical ignorance on your part, incidentally. There was a ton of experimentation and doctrinal division in the early years of the church. The pre-Schism establishment church succeeded in crushing most of the "heresy" and history forgot about it but Christianity hardly started in any uniform or recognizable form the way Islam did.


Also, the bit about the lack of archaelogical evidence deliciously ironic in this context and really points out that your rant is driven by dogmatic thinking on your part because you are surely smart enough to see the ridiculousness of it in other contexts.


You have a predetermined conclusion you want to reach and are throwing all sorts of ridiculous, incompatible arguments together to try to justify it.
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reesescups  4 stars
Title: //Captain America
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Eithne_Boadicea posted:

It's really amusing watching you guys all try to thrash around and justify your position when those of us who have actually studied the differences between Mormonism and Biblical Christianity already know they're not the same thing.

There are tons of differences between the various branches of Christians, that doesn't make any of them non-Christian.

Christ - how much do you need to bend reality before it comes back around and smacks you?

Do Mormons believe that Jesus is the Son of God?

http://mormon.org/jesus-christ/


Quote:

Jesus Christ is the Savior of the world and the Son of God. He is our Redeemer. The Holy Bible teaches us that Jesus Christ's mother was Mary, His father on earth was Joseph, that He was born in Bethlehem and raised in Nazareth, and labored with Joseph as a carpenter.



Anyone that believes that (mod) is a Christian.

 

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Ptilk  4 stars
Title: Creepy old pirate
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Registered: 2002-2-13 14:52:58
You list their crazy like it's any different in amount or impossibility....then the individual crazy of other sects of the exact same religion.

Transubstantiation? Crazy
Created a woman out of a mans rib? Crazy
Cast demons out of people? Crazy
Cured the sick by touching them? Crazy
Earth is 6000 years old? Crazy

Just pointing out the particular crazy of the sect of Mormonism and claiming it makes them so different that they can't even be "real christians".....is also crazy.

They believe the exact same thing about Christ that the rest of the christian faith does. That makes them (Christ)ians.
ZigmundZag  4 stars
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What's funny is that I've never once heard a Mormon question whether or not other denominations were true Christians.

I guess they were paying attention to that whole speck-in-your-eye-log-in-your-own thing that somebody once said.

 

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reesescups  4 stars
Title: //Captain America
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ZigmundZag posted:

I guess they were paying attention to that whole speck-in-your-eye-log-in-your-own thing that somebody once said.

Well I guess we know that GC isn't a Mormon, that dude can barely log-in-his-own account...

 

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Manegarm  4 stars
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Eithne_Boadicea posted:

Mormonism was an offshoot of Christianity during a time of revival in the early 1800s, but it went off in its own direction



aaaand so was Protestantism.. but in the 1500's so you bigots have gotten some time to get used to them.


Eithne_Boadicea posted:

What Christians do you know who believe that there are an infinite number of gods in existence, believe that God the Father had sex with Mary (who was, incidentally, his spiritual offspring, which kind of makes it incestuous), that people can become gods if they follow the Mormon gospel/rules, that Jesus took a side trip to the Americas after being resurrected to visit with Jews who migrated hundreds of years earlier (leaving behind no archaeological evidence of any kind)? If you ask any Christian - Greek Orthodox, Catholic, Methodist, Baptist, Pentacostal, etc. - if they believe that they would look at you like you were crazy and then some.



Depending on who you are some people believe that Catholics believe in 3 gods.. And all that nonsense sounds exactly like the nonsense that you believe in, they think of themselves as Christians so they are, though luck your religion is filled with crazy.

 

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