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DemonicXH  3 stars
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Which is admirable, but for the last few weeks that I have been reading these forums I only see you post with such fervor when the topic is regarding China.
dae_trist  4 stars
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Registered: 2003-6-5 13:32:39
Probably because I don't bother commenting on fad topics or "you're gay" "no you're gay" "ur gay and ur dad is gay and ur mom is gay" "/MELTDOWN" topics.

There are some Middle East politics threads that have some promise though

 

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dae_trist  4 stars
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GrymmDAOC posted:

dae_trist posted:

Rome became the power it was because the people it fought were incredibly weak, technologically backwards, incompetent, loosely organized if at all, fighting among themselves. They built upon that by being utterly savage and ruthless to the peoples they conquered, enslaving them wholesale, and backstabbing them constantly on every deal they made. As far as China goes, they were perpetually "buying off" everyone - that is, the tributary system was a net drain on the treasury.



Don't be stupid.

Rome went from being a bandit stockade to a world empire in a few centuries. They overcame extremely tough competition in what was then the world foremost military shark tank and built a state, that ultimately lasted 1500 years despite being surrounded by enemies and having no real natural frontiers. Yeah..they were tough.



Are you kidding? China had no natural borders until they expanded their empire to the Himalayas thousands of miles away. The people in Western Eurasia were small fry compared to the Tibetans, Mongols, Turks and Tungus and the occasional Iranic Central Asian rabble rousers that harassed China for millennia. They were tough, but they were also huge assholes and not as militarily effective as the Chinese, especially for the same era.

 

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GrymmDAOC  1 star
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dae_trist posted:

Are you kidding? China had no natural borders until they expanded their empire to the Himalayas thousands of miles away. The people in Western Eurasia were small fry compared to the Tibetans, Mongols, Turks and Tungus and the occasional Iranic Central Asian rabble rousers that harassed China for millennia. They were tough, but they were also huge assholes and not as militarily effective as the Chinese, especially for the same era.



And this has to do with my statement how?


Rome defeated civilised and organised powers that excelled it in wealth and sophistication in what was then the worlds richest and most populated regions and built a state that lasted over 1500 years. No Han state can claim the same.

 

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dae_trist  4 stars
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GrymmDAOC posted:

Rome defeated civilised and organised powers that excelled it in wealth and sophistication in what was then the worlds richest and most populated regions and built a state that lasted over 1500 years. No Han state can claim the same.



Probably because most Han states were the world's richest and most populated regions during the relevant time. The fact that some villages were more wealthy and sophisticated than Rome when it was just founded is really not saying much.

 

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Eager_Igraine  4 stars
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dae_trist posted:

GrymmDAOC posted:

Rome defeated civilised and organised powers that excelled it in wealth and sophistication in what was then the worlds richest and most populated regions and built a state that lasted over 1500 years. No Han state can claim the same.



But but but ... China!!



 

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Tych2  4 stars
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Talk about low hanging fruit. Everyone is getting into the rile Dae_twat up thing.

 

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GrymmDAOC  1 star
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No they weren't. In the relevant time period, up until about 50 ad (the greatest era of roman expansion) The richest most populated areas were the belt stretching from egypt to the ganges. The population of the Empire itself equalled the Han Empire.


And in this time period the population of Chang'an could have fit in Rome 4 times over.

 

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dae_trist  4 stars
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GrymmDAOC posted:

No they weren't. In the relevant time period, up until about 50 ad (the greatest era of roman expansion) The richest most populated areas were the belt stretching from egypt to the ganges. The population of the Empire itself equalled the Han Empire.



Uh, are you implying that the Ganges was part of the Roman Empire and that Egypt's population was not counted in Rome's total?


GrymmDAOC posted:

And in this time period the population of Chang'an could have fit in Rome 4 times over.



Yeah ... because the capital was Luoyang at the time.

 

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dae_trist  4 stars
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Tych2 posted:

Talk about low hanging fruit. Everyone is getting into the rile Dae_twat up thing.



If by everyone you mean a tiny handful of retards, yes. Specifically you and Eager. Mammo doesn't count because he's comic relief.

 

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