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Groucho48  3 stars
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And paulg assured us repeatedly that it was stupid of liberals to re-fight the battles of the 60's, specifically the battle to legalize abortions, because the right was not trying to over turn them.

As with every other time he tries to interface with reality, he is wrong.

 

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Z-Elder  3 stars
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Ashmaele  4 stars
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Registered: 2002-1-15 08:30:50
Eager_Igraine posted:

http://newsok.com/oklahoma-senate-passes-personhood-act-saying-life-begins-at-conception/article/3649308


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posted: The Personhood Act, Senate Bill 1433, received international attention in the wake of a proposed amendment from Sen. Constance Johnson, D-Holdenville. The amendment said it was an act against unborn children for men to waste sperm.



In consideration of vasectomy crimes against personhood.






You can thank the Obama voters from 2008 staying home in 2010 for this massive influx of stupid

 

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Ashmaele  4 stars
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In addition to forcing the woman to undergo an unnecessary procedure, I also hope that the "ZOMG, government regulations are killing teh job creators" realize that this law would also likely (1) compel insurance companies to pay for unnecessary medical procedures (2) force doctors to conduct procedures that they do not believe to be medically necessary and (3) give gov't more leeway to subpoena private medical records (b/c the law will be enforced by forcing clinics to turn over charts to ensure that the ultrasound was conducted before the abortion took place).

 

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Groucho48  3 stars
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Ashmaele posted:

In addition to forcing the woman to undergo an unnecessary procedure, I also hope that the "ZOMG, government regulations are killing teh job creators" realize that this law would also likely (1) compel insurance companies to pay for unnecessary medical procedures (2) force doctors to conduct procedures that they do not believe to be medically necessary and (3) give gov't more leeway to subpoena private medical records (b/c the law will be enforced by forcing clinics to turn over charts to ensure that the ultrasound was conducted before the abortion took place).



They probably already have clinics in mind to do the testing. Clinics belonging to their donors. Like Scott did down in Florida. Require all welfare recipients to be drug tested then award the testing contract to a buddy of yours. Who cares about the added expense to a state with huge budget problems or that only 2% of welfare recipients tested positive. It gets him support from the base and money for his friends. Win-win!

Or how, in Ohio, the Republicans pushed for-profit charter schools, run by a big donor, to receive gobs and gobs of taxpayer money, with no accountability.

Republican officials may pretend its all about morality, but, really, it's all about the money.

 

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Groucho48  3 stars
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Or, maybe I'm wrong and it's not about the money. It's about hatred for women who have sex. Some comments from the folks who pushed the bill...


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During the floor debate on Tuesday, Del. C. Todd Gilbert announced that “in the vast majority of these cases, these [abortions] are matters of lifestyle convenience.” (He has since apologized.) Virginia Democrat Rep. David Englin, who opposes the bill, has said Gilbert’s statement “is in line with previous Republican comments on the issue,” recalling one conversation with a GOP lawmaker who told him that women had already made the decision to be “vaginally penetrated when they got pregnant.” (I confirmed with Englin that this quote was accurate.)

 

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NuEM  4 stars
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Registered: 2004-3-2 09:08:11
I guess they call it Virginia for a reason.

 

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Moe_Nox  4 stars
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There is alot of fear mongering and ignorant arglebargle in this thread.

 

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Cawlin  4 stars
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I haven't read the thread beyond my initial hurried response to it yesterday. I will elaborate my opinion now.

While I understand that abortion issues are significant to a lot of people, I personally feel that abortion in the first trimester is a perfectly reasonable step for a woman to take.

I find these morality fueled intrusions by government (whether by RWNs or LWNs) no less appalling than any of the others against which I've railed in the past.

This is unconscionable, reprehensible, and intolerable.


I also believe the entire concept is a sham for a desire to control people. Fundamentally, you can control a population by controlling their base behaviors - eating, sleeping, sex, religious freedom, childrearing, etc. This is another in a long list of attempts to exact control of people by controlling their sexuality - who they can sleep with, whether they can have non-procreative/recreational sex, etc. I see this as no different and a simple extension of the mindset that vilifies human sexuality in an attempt to subjugate and control people through manipulation of the issue. This is all about a mindset that says:

"Well if you're going to have sex for recreation, which we frown upon, you must deal with the consequences, and we will make it so that you cannot terminate pregnancies or so that means of contraception are more difficult to obtain then so be it!" Of course this ideology works nicely to disempower (is that a word?) women as well, which is a nice benefit.

This is pure Church Controlâ„¢ from the fkn middle ages rearing its ugly head in politics and I loathe it with every fiber of my being.

 

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Ashmaele  4 stars
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Registered: 2002-1-15 08:30:50
Groucho48 posted:

Ashmaele posted:

In addition to forcing the woman to undergo an unnecessary procedure, I also hope that the "ZOMG, government regulations are killing teh job creators" realize that this law would also likely (1) compel insurance companies to pay for unnecessary medical procedures (2) force doctors to conduct procedures that they do not believe to be medically necessary and (3) give gov't more leeway to subpoena private medical records (b/c the law will be enforced by forcing clinics to turn over charts to ensure that the ultrasound was conducted before the abortion took place).



They probably already have clinics in mind to do the testing. Clinics belonging to their donors. Like Scott did down in Florida. Require all welfare recipients to be drug tested then award the testing contract to a buddy of yours. Who cares about the added expense to a state with huge budget problems or that only 2% of welfare recipients tested positive. It gets him support from the base and money for his friends. Win-win!



Rick Scott's buddies don't own the clinics; he owns them. Well, his wife owns them now, he had to turn them over to her when he became governor so there wouldn't be any conflict of interest but it's all good now!

 

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