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Groucho48  3 stars
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Registered: 2003-10-22 03:00:14
On his contention that the free market would have fixed the auto industry.

Fist hasn't linked to it in a while, so, maybe Newsmax went all liberally or something and no one else realized.


Quote:

In an unusual editorial-page response to Romney, the Detroit News said Romney was wrong to suggest there was a private-sector alternative to the government-funded rescue that began with $17 billion in bridge loans extended by then-President George Bush.

Industry executives also challenged Romney's claim there was a private alternative to government funding at the depth of the credit crisis.

"This is the lie that gets told again and again and again — government intervention wasn't necessary, that this was creeping socialism, that Obama wants to take over or give a sweetheart deal to the unions," Lutz told Reuters.

Mike Jackson, chief executive of the auto dealership group AutoNation, called Romney's opinion piece "reckless, detached from reality and dishonest."

"It was Bush that stepped in with the bailout," said Jackson, also a Republican, told Reuters. "Mitt's assertion that private financing was available in fall of 2008 into 2009 is fantasy."

The Center for Automotive Research, an Ann Arbor, Michigan-based think-tank supported by the auto industry, estimated more than 1 million jobs would have been lost if GM and Chrysler had been allowed to fail.

David Cole, the now-retired head of the center, said he believed then that the failure of government intervention would have been catastrophic. "Had a company like GM shut down, it would have shut the entire industry down," said Cole, who describes himself as a conservative.

One Detroit-based auto industry adviser who asked not to be named said he had been inclined to vote for Romney before the most recent controversy. "But for me, this just calls into question his judgment," he said.

Steve Rattner, a Democrat and the former head of the Obama administration's auto task force, called the idea of a privately funded restructuring of GM and Chrysler "utterly fantastical."

"No one — I repeat, no one — had the slightest interest in funding these companies on any terms," Rattner said in a blog.


Read more on Newsmax.com: Detroit to Romney: Get Real on Auto Bailout

 

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oxydendrum_meatwad
Posts: 34
Registered: 2004-8-8 20:56:14
Incoming Romney ad quoting only part of what Lutz said.

"...government intervention wasn't necessary, that this was creeping socialism, that Obama wants to take over or give a sweetheart deal to the unions," Lutz told Reuters.

Wouldn't be the first time
SoBaKi  2 stars
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Registered: 2002-2-26 09:31:13
Lol, nothing from the outpost conservatives?

 

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Eager_Igraine  4 stars
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People think that allowing the auto industry collapse would have been good for the nation?

 

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Groucho48  3 stars
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Registered: 2003-10-22 03:00:14
Eager_Igraine posted:

People think that allowing the auto industry collapse would have been good for the nation?



Republicans don't care about what is good for the nation. If it is good for Obama, or, if it means they have to admit that the government isn't unmitigated evil, they are against it.

 

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Bobvillas  3 stars
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Registered: 2008-11-19 12:56:18
We call this pandering.

Although it is backfiring in Michigan.

Go figure.

 

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Bobvillas  3 stars
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Registered: 2008-11-19 12:56:18
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/opinion/19romney.html?pagewantedrint

I just found his actual article he wrote.

Actually, he says a lot of things I agree with.


"It is not wrong to ask for government help, but the automakers should come up with a win-win proposition. I believe the federal government should invest substantially more in basic research — on new energy sources, fuel-economy technology, materials science and the like — that will ultimately benefit the automotive industry, along with many others. I believe Washington should raise energy research spending to $20 billion a year, from the $4 billion that is spent today. The research could be done at universities, at research labs and even through public-private collaboration. The federal government should also rectify the imbedded tax penalties that favor foreign carmakers.

But don’t ask Washington to give shareholders and bondholders a free pass — they bet on management and they lost.

The American auto industry is vital to our national interest as an employer and as a hub for manufacturing. A managed bankruptcy may be the only path to the fundamental restructuring the industry needs. It would permit the companies to shed excess labor, pension and real estate costs. The federal government should provide guarantees for post-bankruptcy financing and assure car buyers that their warranties are not at risk.

In a managed bankruptcy, the federal government would propel newly competitive and viable automakers, rather than seal their fate with a bailout check."

 

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Aerlinthian  4 stars
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Registered: 2001-5-7 23:53:38
Article posted:

Steve Rattner, a Democrat and the former head of the Obama administration's auto task force, called the idea of a privately funded restructuring of GM and Chrysler "utterly fantastical."

"No one — I repeat, no one — had the slightest interest in funding these companies on any terms," Rattner said in a blog.

Gee, I wonder why...
Moe_Nox  4 stars
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Registered: 2007-2-4 12:17:56
Eager_Igraine posted:

People think that allowing the auto industry collapse would have been good for the nation?

It wouldn't have collapsed, but some would have had to declare bankruptcy. That would have forced the reorganization of companies that were in need of it. Ford never took a bailout and has done outstanding.

Its funny that most of the arglebargle about not doing more to save these companies comes from people that don't drive their products and talk about how shitty they are.

 

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