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Groucho48  3 stars
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The latest Chicago Booth poll of economists focuses on the 2009 stimulus. The first question asked whether the stimulus increased employment by the end of 2010. Eighty percent of the polled economists agreed. Four percent disagreed. Two percent were uncertain.

The second question asked whether, over the long run, the benefits would outweigh the long-term costs (like paying down the extra debt). Forty-six percent agreed. Twelve percent disagreed. Twenty-seven percent were uncertain.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/four-out-of-five-economists-agree-the-stimulus-created-jobs/2011/08/25/gIQAb1CbPR_blog.html


Meanwhile, in Europe, where they went with austerity instead of stimulus,


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Specifically, in early 2010 austerity economics — the insistence that governments should slash spending even in the face of high unemployment — became all the rage in European capitals. The doctrine asserted that the direct negative effects of spending cuts on employment would be offset by changes in “confidence,” that savage spending cuts would lead to a surge in consumer and business spending, while nations failing to make such cuts would see capital flight and soaring interest rates. If this sounds to you like something Herbert Hoover might have said, you’re right: It does and he did.
Now the results are in — and they’re exactly what three generations’ worth of economic analysis and all the lessons of history should have told you would happen. The confidence fairy has failed to show up: none of the countries slashing spending have seen the predicted private-sector surge. Instead, the depressing effects of fiscal austerity have been reinforced by falling private spending.



http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/20/opinion/krugman-pain-without-gain.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all


One of these days the right might be right about something to do with the economy, but, I wouldn't hold my breath.

 

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Mastara  4 stars
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what about the economists that dont agree? Or did they take this to all of them and asked if they did or did not?

 

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Ptilk  4 stars
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Austerity is the most stupid idea ever conceived in politics. It fails every time, yet some keep on preaching it.

Thankfully, OWS changed the conversation from "should we embrace austerity?" to "Are you fecking insane? Shut up bitch".

We dodged a bullet.....this time.
Aerlinthian  4 stars
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Registered: 2001-5-7 23:53:38
Washington Post
New York Times
Ezra Klein
Paul Krugman


Nope, not at all biased sources there.


SoBaKi  2 stars
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Registered: 2002-2-26 09:31:13
Aerlinthian posted:

NEWSPAPERS AND JEWS!


Nope, not at all biased sources there.






 

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AzureTyger  2 stars
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The right lives in a fantasy world.

 

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Mastara  4 stars
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The left lives in a bubble.

 

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GrilledCheez  4 stars
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The first question was retarded. If it created one job then it passed that one. The second one was equally retarded. Asking if it was worth the cost is dumb. When there is a downturn any braking you can do is good. What they should have asked is was it the best or most efficient or most effective thing that could have been done. I assume those numbers would be hugely different.

So the only thing this proves is that polls say what you want them to say.

 

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Groucho48  3 stars
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GrilledCheez posted:

The first question was retarded. If it created one job then it passed that one. The second one was equally retarded. Asking if it was worth the cost is dumb. When there is a downturn any braking you can do is good. What they should have asked is was it the best or most efficient or most effective thing that could have been done. I assume those numbers would be hugely different.

So the only thing this proves is that polls say what you want them to say.



The reason for the second question is to answer the doubt you mention about the first question.

Did it work? Yes
Did the cost of its working out weigh the benefits? No.

We could posit all sorts of hypotheticals and ask about them, but, most folks like to look back at any massive government effort and question whether it was worth it. Especially when there is a whole right wing industry claiming it didn't work.

Most economists seem to think it was worth it.

 

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Rhint  2 stars
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Registered: 2002-9-17 20:38:54
Yeah, the stimulus worked. Did it work well enough for what it cost? That is the question.

 

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