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Most government benefits go to middle class, not poor - and very little goes to the lazy poor [Locked] |
GrilledCheez  Title: The Lord's Balls
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Most government benefits go to middle class, not poor - and very little goes to the lazy poor |
Yukishiro1 posted:
GrilledCheez posted:
The idea that "middle class" people receive a lot of gov't benefits should be more bothersome to people than the idea that the poor are.
I don't disagree. I think you are kinda confused about what you think I'm saying or not saying.
hahaha i know what you are saying. the same thing that groucho is saying. Conservatives are wrong to be saying gov't entitlement programs have a negative affect on the classes that receive them.
You are just saying it very badly. As is groucho, and have the added handicap of being completely wrong as well.
the proper argument to make is that in spite of the bad the good is so vastly critical that we shoudl spend it anyway and more, but be cognizant of the problems we are acerbating or creating and work to fix them as well as the root cause of the poverty in the first place. If you'd make that argument you'd be right, and stand a chance of supporting an idea that might make the country better off instead of worse off. unfortunately the dem message is clear and it is a message of failure. All the way around.
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Groucho48  Posts: 821
Registered: 2003-10-22 03:00:14
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Most government benefits go to middle class, not poor - and very little goes to the lazy poor |
Bobvillas posted:
theredkay1 posted:
While we are at it why not talk about the theoretical possibility of SS having an eleventy trillion dollar surplus every year. Anything is possible if you use your imagination! 
Well since you want to go there here you go.
With a 26% longer life expectancy but a 3% increase in retirement age (Since Social Security was created in 1935 mind you), deficits from SS could add 11.6 Trillion (or 140%) to the public debt by 2037.
This is per the Congressional Budget Office.(CBO)
If you would like to disagree with them feel free to send your email.
I will continue to take their word over yours 
Could you post a link to that, please?
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 3,243
Registered: 2002-9-20 23:52:57
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Most government benefits go to middle class, not poor - and very little goes to the lazy poor |
GrilledCheez posted:
hahaha i know what you are saying. the same thing that groucho is saying. Conservatives are wrong to be saying gov't entitlement programs have a negative affect on the classes that receive them.
See, when you don't read this is what happens.
I haven't said that anywhere. I said conservatives are wrong when they insist we're creating some class of welfare beneficiaries who do nothing like they have in many european countries. Because if anything we've moved away from that model over the past 30 years, not towards it.
Of course paying people not to work will lower their desire to work.
The idea I'm ignoring the problem is silly when in my original post I pointed out that disability is taking over the role of paying people not to work that welfare payments used to and we need to be cognizant of that when coming up with disability policy.
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DemonicXH Title: Camelot Vault Staff
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Registered: 2003-12-1 08:14:17
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Most government benefits go to middle class, not poor - and very little goes to the lazy poor |
I'll try and find the link that I saw.
I believe it came from the CDC, when doing a search for life expectancy after attaining adulthood.
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Sin_of_Onin Posts: 1,307
Registered: 2005-6-29 08:21:12
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Most government benefits go to middle class, not poor - and very little goes to the lazy poor |
GrilledCheez posted:
checks do make people lazier, more selective and less frantic. Believing otherwise is stupid.
The idea that "middle class" people receive a lot of gov't benefits should be more bothersome to people than the idea that the poor are. plus a comparison of benefits does ZERO to evaluate whether it's too much or not.
it just cracks me up the way any data point will be used to pound message. no matter how stupid it makes you look.
Yeah most of the benefits the middle class see are things they paid for or mostly paid for. ie SS and Medicare.
The biggest benefit given to poor is probably Medicaid which accounts for a massive portion of any state's budget. If you consider education a benefit then the middle class and poor are receiving a lot of that as well. They are also paying for a lot of it.
Both Medicaid and Education are about the kids and I don't see the US backing off on that. Even health for adults is not going away. The stand against UHC in this country is a joke.
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Groucho48 Posts: 821
Registered: 2003-10-22 03:00:14
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hahaha i know what you are saying. the same thing that groucho is saying. Conservatives are wrong to be saying gov't entitlement programs have a negative affect on the classes that receive them.
You are just saying it very badly. As is groucho, and have the added handicap of being completely wrong as well.
Mainly what Yuki and I are saying is that the conservative premise that government handouts to able bodied non-working folks is sapping them of their precious bodily fluids is false because only a very small % of government handouts is going to able bodied non-working folks and that % hasn't changed in decades and is down from what it used to be before welfare reform.
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DemonicXH Title: Camelot Vault Staff
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Registered: 2003-12-1 08:14:17
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Most government benefits go to middle class, not poor - and very little goes to the lazy poor |
Never mind, I didn't check the source that I used. It came from the chairman of the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget. 
Based on SS charts the average male lived for another 12.7 years after making it to age 65. |
Bobvillas Posts: 643
Registered: 2008-11-19 12:56:18
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Most government benefits go to middle class, not poor - and very little goes to the lazy poor |
http://cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=11579
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theredkay1 Posts: 611
Registered: 2008-5-16 10:37:09
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1/1/00 12:01am
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Most government benefits go to middle class, not poor - and very little goes to the lazy poor |
Bobvillas posted:
theredkay1 posted:
While we are at it why not talk about the theoretical possibility of SS having an eleventy trillion dollar surplus every year. Anything is possible if you use your imagination!
Well since you want to go there here you go.
With a 26% longer life expectancy but a 3% increase in retirement age (Since Social Security was created in 1935 mind you), deficits from SS could add 11.6 Trillion (or 140%) to the public debt by 2037.
This is per the Congressional Budget Office.(CBO)
If you would like to disagree with them feel free to send your email.
I will continue to take their word over yours
You misunderstood my objection.
SS cannot add to the public debt even if people start living to 155 tomorrow. You misunderstand how SS finances work....and youre not alone on that one.
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Bobvillas Posts: 643
Registered: 2008-11-19 12:56:18
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Most government benefits go to middle class, not poor - and very little goes to the lazy poor |
The General Accounting Office says public debt deals with all debts owed by the federal government, including "inter-governmental" debt, such as that held by trust funds like Social Security or government.
The GAO, generally speaks of "trust fund" debt as the only real difference between general public and specific federal debt at the national level. There are many "off-budget" items that can be excluded from official federal figures but still remain owed to the public.
http://www.gao.gov/
I feel pretty good about my definition.
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