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Cawlin  4 stars
Posts: 1,759
Registered: 2005-2-22 07:58:42
Yukishiro1 posted:

Big pharma gets the vast majority of its profits these days from drugs that let people be fat and not die and drugs that let people ignore their problems by medicating away their stress.

This is a fact.

edit: Not that the drugs in question don't have benefits for some people. They do. But they should be niche products, not the everyday products they are. You can't blame pharma for people being fat losers but we spend way too much money on letting people be fat losers. Pharma is just responsing to societal demand to be able to be fat losers but where the money is going does show our priorities.



Well again, this belongs in a Yuki's megalomania thread where you expound on the way everyone would be forced to carry out their lifestyle if you were in charge...

 

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Yukishiro1  4 stars
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Registered: 2002-9-20 23:52:57
I can identify problems with our society without necessarily wanting to force people to change. You're just upset because you don't want to admit you work for an industry that has become more about enabling fat losers than anything else.
Eager_Igraine  4 stars
Posts: 1,036
Registered: 2002-11-21 11:55:52
My comments focusing on Pharma may seem selective, but they are also posted in a thread about...Pharma. And really, my basic point is that your position as presented seems to be that Pharma plays by all the rules and is heavily regulated by effective watchdogs at all stages, with both parties existing primarily for the benefit of those in need, so that nothing can go wrong. Which is of course just crap.


http://articles.cnn.com/2010-04-02/health/pfizer.bextra_1_bextra-pfizer-and-pharmacia-generic-drugs?_s=PM:HEALTH


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posted:But when it came to prosecuting Pfizer for its fraudulent marketing, the pharmaceutical giant had a trump card: Just as the giant banks on Wall Street were deemed too big to fail, Pfizer was considered too big to nail.


Why? Because any company convicted of a major health care fraud is automatically excluded from Medicare and Medicaid. Convicting Pfizer on Bextra would prevent the company from billing federal health programs for any of its products. It would be a corporate death sentence.


Prosecutors said that excluding Pfizer would most likely lead to Pfizer's collapse, with collateral consequences: disrupting the flow of Pfizer products to Medicare and Medicaid recipients, causing the loss of jobs including those of Pfizer employees who were not involved in the fraud, and causing significant losses for Pfizer shareholders.



Interestingly enough, this is about the same time we discover that Pharmacia & Upjohn Co. Inc. exists to plead guilty to Pfizer's problems.


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posted: Public records show that the subsidiary was incorporated in Delaware on March 27, 2007, the same day Pfizer lawyers and federal prosecutors agreed that the company would plead guilty in a kickback case against a company Pfizer had acquired a few years earlier.



As for experiments outside the US, my comment might not have been clear:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/06/AR2006050601338.html


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posted: The report concludes that Pfizer never obtained authorization from the Nigerian government to give the unproven drug to nearly 100 children and infants. Pfizer selected the patients at a field hospital in the city of Kano, where the children had been taken to be treated for an often deadly strain of meningitis. At the time, Doctors Without Borders was dispensing approved antibiotics at the hospital.


Pfizer's experiment was "an illegal trial of an unregistered drug," the Nigerian panel concluded, and a "clear case of exploitation of the ignorant."

 

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Sin_of_Onin  4 stars
Posts: 1,307
Registered: 2005-6-29 08:21:12
There have been a lot of cases. Zyprexa was one of the bigger ones that I remember.


The settlements reached, mostly by the states, have been a small portion of the total fraud that happened.


There has been widespread fraud committed by pharmaceutical companies.


http://healthimpactnews.com/2012/pharmaceutical-companies-causing-106000-deaths-a-year/


The article is kinda crazy but it is the only one I could find that summarizes the cases.

 

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Yukishiro1  4 stars
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Registered: 2002-9-20 23:52:57
But I thought we were just told that's unpossible? Just like no doctor would ever overprescribe anything. And how all those hot sales representatives don't actually influence anyone's behavior at all.

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