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MayorShade  2 stars
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Registered: 2004-3-1 10:40:52
SirGarth posted:

BT always delivers.





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Eternal_Midnight  2 stars
Posts: 424
Registered: 2000-5-11 13:44:32
Brother_Tempus posted:

Of course he's going to say its voluntary, but in the same article, the section I quotes, he marginalizes those who would not volunteer for such a programs, so your strwman has been knocked down ....

since their will never be a unamimous consent for this abomination of policy ... what we seeing is the selling of 2 progressive platforms as a solution to a so called man-made problem.

Just as Al Gore's railing about global warming was not government policy, we saw how his allies in government picked up his rant and started making it government policy.

Now we see a lamestream media source now "selling" eugenics just as "global warming" was sold.

When do you wait to speak out ... before the policy gains momentum or after it is passed?



You quoted one section, talking about how people might be opposed to his proposals due to a status quo bias. Perhaps you don't understand what is meant by that, but people form a status quo bias when they are presented with a novel idea, and form their conception of the 'status quo' based on the first conditions they are presented with, and not based on any rational conceptualization. Status quo bias is a very real thing, based on behavioural economics.

Any rational individual (which you are clearly not) could easily puzzle out that any benefits that could possibly arise from artificial selection would be far too late to actually help towards preventing climate change. Rational individuals would see clearly that this is not a policy statement, and is instead exploratory science.

But you don't believe in climate change, and are just looking for something to blame on liberals, so I can see how you might misunderstand what was written in this article. You saw climate change and gene modification in the same article and drew your own conclusions, regardless of what was actually written.

 

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the_great_ontex  3 stars
Title: This is what cool looks like
Posts: 791
Registered: 2012-2-13 18:38:12
Screw eugenics, lets talk about cybernetics

I don't know about you guys but since I was 10 or so years old, the time when Starcraft entered my life and changed it completely, I've always wanted to become a ghost
Orwyn_Blackheart  2 stars
Posts: 406
Registered: 2006-7-26 09:00:53
Everyone is insulting BT, but most of you I am now beginning to realize are incredibly stupid and a danger to those people around you


Did you even read the bloody article ? its madness, this guy is the modern equivalent of Doctor Mengele

Read this you fools.......


Isn't it ethically problematic to allow parents to make these kinds of irreversible choices for their children?

Liao: That's a really good question. First, I think it's useful to distinguish between selection and modification. With selection you don't really have the issue of irreversible choices because the embryo selected can't complain that she could have been otherwise---if the parents had selected a different embryo, she wouldn't have existed at all. In the case of modification, that issue could certainly arise, but even then I think it's important to step back and ask why we are looking at these solutions in the first place. The reason we are even considering these solutions is to prevent climate change, which is a really serious problem, and which might affect the well being of millions of people including the child. And so in that context, if on balance human engineering is going to promote the well being of that particular child, then you might be able to justify the solution to the child.


edit: BT was right, this is eugenics, what the hell ? Why are insane evil people like this given public money to study and then do their evil research with ?
Orwyn_Blackheart  2 stars
Posts: 406
Registered: 2006-7-26 09:00:53
MayorShade posted:

Vegetarian, cat-eyed hobbit? Fuggin sign me up, bitches.



i don't see how you can find this humorous ....
Eternal_Midnight  2 stars
Posts: 424
Registered: 2000-5-11 13:44:32
Orwyn_Blackheart posted:

Everyone is insulting BT, but most of you I am now beginning to realize are incredibly stupid and a danger to those people around you


Did you even read the bloody article ? its madness, this guy is the modern equivalent of Doctor Mengele

Read this you fools.......


edit: BT was right, this is eugenics, what the hell ? Why are insane evil people like this given public money to study and then do their evil research with ?



Right now, it's a research paper. You say the word eugenics as if simply uttering it makes your entire argument.

What exactly is your issue, or are you just frothing at the mouth?

 

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GrymmDAOC  1 star
Posts: 241
Registered: 2001-12-6 13:04:16
Eugenics has always found its most enthusiastic supporters amongst the "progressive"

 

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Kjarhall  3 stars
Title: The Pungent One
Posts: 915
Registered: 2002-3-1 15:47:21
Orwyn_Blackheart posted:

Everyone is insulting BT, but most of you I am now beginning to realize are incredibly stupid and a danger to those people around you


Did you even read the bloody article ? its madness, this guy is the modern equivalent of Doctor Mengele

Read this you fools.......


Isn't it ethically problematic to allow parents to make these kinds of irreversible choices for their children?

Liao: That's a really good question. First, I think it's useful to distinguish between selection and modification. With selection you don't really have the issue of irreversible choices because the embryo selected can't complain that she could have been otherwise---if the parents had selected a different embryo, she wouldn't have existed at all. In the case of modification, that issue could certainly arise, but even then I think it's important to step back and ask why we are looking at these solutions in the first place. The reason we are even considering these solutions is to prevent climate change, which is a really serious problem, and which might affect the well being of millions of people including the child. And so in that context, if on balance human engineering is going to promote the well being of that particular child, then you might be able to justify the solution to the child.


edit: BT was right, this is eugenics, what the hell ? Why are insane evil people like this given public money to study and then do their evil research with ?



So you and BT have no idea what scientific amorality is, huh? Go figure. Or reading comprehension. Note "in that context" and "might".

 

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Brother_Tempus  3 stars
Title: Patriot
Posts: 985
Registered: 2001-1-9 08:07:00
Eternal_Midnight posted:

Brother_Tempus posted:

Of course he's going to say its voluntary, but in the same article, the section I quotes, he marginalizes those who would not volunteer for such a programs, so your strwman has been knocked down ....

since their will never be a unamimous consent for this abomination of policy ... what we seeing is the selling of 2 progressive platforms as a solution to a so called man-made problem.

Just as Al Gore's railing about global warming was not government policy, we saw how his allies in government picked up his rant and started making it government policy.

Now we see a lamestream media source now "selling" eugenics just as "global warming" was sold.

When do you wait to speak out ... before the policy gains momentum or after it is passed?



You quoted one section,



I quoted the relevant section .... the section where his ideas should be accepted and those who do not must have some irrational bias ... just like Gore sold his ideas

 

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Koneg  3 stars
Title: Evil Genius
Posts: 894
Registered: 2001-12-4 15:31:28
paulg_68 posted:

Eugenics has unfairly been given a bad name by people who had no real interest in eugenics.


Humanity would be well served by a voluntary eugenics program.

The only people who should be subjected to any eugenics program are those who propose or support such a eugenics program.


It is seriously the dumbest idea ever, and advocating it is prima facie evidence that your genes are not up to standards.

 

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