Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
I would love to see that the liberals say about this
To do anything you need an ID. Somehow an ID to vote is racist. In this clip they show how they could not only vote without an ID but they refused to accept an ID. They go many other places and demand to be served without an ID, and are repeatedly refused. They even use the race card, to no effect. To vote they used names of dead and live people and were offered ballots in every case.
It makes you wonder what Obama and Holder are hiding with this racist excuse.
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Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
I would love to see that the liberals say about this
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Scarne Title: Capo di Scientifico
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Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
I would love to see that the liberals say about this
Fist_de_Yuma posted: To vote they used names of dead and live people and were offered ballots anyway.
Yes, but that effectively doesn't happen the the real world; it pretty much only happens when people are trying to prove it can happen. Once in a while you get a person who votes for a recently dead relative who they just knew how they wanted to vote in the next election, but that is pretty much it. The penalties for getting caught doing this are too harsh to risk really trying to do this enough in an organized manner to influence an election.
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
I would love to see that the liberals say about this
Scarne posted:
Fist_de_Yuma posted: To vote they used names of dead and live people and were offered ballots anyway.
Yes, but that effectively doesn't happen the the real world; it pretty much only happens when people are trying to prove it can happen. Once in a while you get a person who votes for a recently dead relative who they just knew how they wanted to vote in the next election, but that is pretty much it. The penalties for getting caught doing this are too harsh to risk really trying to do this enough in an organized manner to influence an election.
You know this because....? The fact that many places have posted more votes than they have people should tell you something; that is of you are not someone who just reads the talking points and have no idea how the real world works.
You really think we can depend on the honesty of Democrats and Republicans not to take advantage if offered? Why would the Democrats spend millions to elect a minor offical; who's only real job is to oversee elections?
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Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
I would love to see that the liberals say about this
Fist_de_Yuma posted:
Scarne posted:
Fist_de_Yuma posted: To vote they used names of dead and live people and were offered ballots anyway.
Yes, but that effectively doesn't happen the the real world; it pretty much only happens when people are trying to prove it can happen. Once in a while you get a person who votes for a recently dead relative who they just knew how they wanted to vote in the next election, but that is pretty much it. The penalties for getting caught doing this are too harsh to risk really trying to do this enough in an organized manner to influence an election.
You know this because....? The fact that many places have posted more votes than they have people should tell you something; that is of you are not someone who just reads the talking points and have no idea how the real world works.
You really think we can depend on the honesty of Democrats and Republicans not to take advantage if offered? Why would the Democrats spend millions to elect a minor offical; who's only real job is to oversee elections?
The same way you can trust that the voter numbers aren't just pulled completely out of thin air, in the hopes nobody notices that they're fake. You can't, really. You just have to hope and pray it doesn't happen, because you personally have no way of actually knowing the correct and exact numbers, and who voted for whom etc.
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Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
I would love to see that the liberals say about this
Freaking seriously? This is the 2nd voter fraud thread on the 1st page of the OP. The republican party commits extreme voter fraud during the primaries and people are worried about voter fraud during the general?
Quit being lazy and volunteer to be an election judge at your local polling places and quite whining on DAOC boards.
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
I would love to see that the liberals say about this
Seven states have enacted voter identification laws , They are Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Indiana, Louisiana, Michigan and South Dakota, voting is up in state with voter identification laws some as much as 140%
holder and obama just like to scream racist at every corner
So it seems James O'Keefe has gone to Vermont and made a stupid video. It's stupid because it does what James O'Keefe always tries to do -- exaggerates a problem in order to shame public officials into accepting his point of view. Only the only one who should be shamed is O'Keefe.
Just as he did in New Hampshire, he sent in "undercover" people with video cameras to ask for ballots in the name of voters, living and dead. In each case on the video, O'Keefe's minions ask whether they need to show ID, and in each case, poll workers tell them they don't.
One of the more interesting anomalies on the video are the dates. The first subject, "Mohamud" is dated March 9, 2009. The "John Adams" video is dated February 27, 2012, as is "Adam Berger." "Travis Houle" is dated March 8, 2009. "Evan Bean" is March 8, 2009. The date of the Vermont primary was March 7, 2012. None of these videos have that date. The 2009-2010 Vermont elections calendar does not have any elections scheduled for March 8-9, 2009, nor was anything scheduled for February 27, 2012. There was a very close mayoral election in Burlington, VT on March 3, 2009, which went to an instant runoff where a progressive was elected over the Republican candidate, knocking the Democrat out of the race altogether. But why would video referring to a city race be dated March 9th when the election was March 3rd? The ballots cast on March 3rd were used in the instant runoff voting, so there wasn't a new vote on the 8th or 9th.
Vermont does, however, permit voter registration until five days before the election. In the case of "John Adams" and "Adam Berger", it's possible they were requesting voter registration forms, which they would not need ID to request, but would need ID to submit.
In Vermont, a valid photo ID is required when one registers to vote. Applicants are also required to take the "Voter's Oath", which must be certified by an appropriate official before the registration is valid. Once those requirements are met, the voter's name is entered on the rolls.
All of this begs the question: Where were these videos filmed and for what elections? It would appear they weren't even filmed in Vermont! And if they were filmed in Vermont on those days and actual ballots were requested, then O'Keefe forgot about this:
While one can indeed register to vote (in most places) without showing an ID via third party, what O'Keefe fails to mention in his video, is that the federal Help America Vote Act (HAVA) of 2002 already requires those who do not register in person to provide ID when voting for the first time at the polling place. In other words, if "Thomas Brady" registers to vote via the registration forms received via O'Keefe's video, he would be required, by federal law, to show an ID the first time he votes in person at the polling place.
He also evidently ignored this as he continues to push Voter ID laws with his highly suspect videos:
The only type of voter fraud which could possibly be deterred by such measures would be in-person, polling place impersonation, which is so rare that even George W. Bush's own Dept. of Justice was unable to find even a single instance of it, out of hundreds of millions of votes cast across the nation during the years from 2002 to 2005, when they placed unprecedented resources into ferreting out such instances of voter fraud.
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Posts: 2,537 Registered: 2003-5-26 14:45:53
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
I would love to see that the liberals say about this
So it seems James O'Keefe has gone to Vermont and made a stupid video. It's stupid because it does what James O'Keefe always tries to do -- exaggerates a problem in order to shame public officials into accepting his point of view. Only the only one who should be shamed is O'Keefe.
Just as he did in New Hampshire, he sent in "undercover" people with video cameras to ask for ballots in the name of voters, living and dead. In each case on the video, O'Keefe's minions ask whether they need to show ID, and in each case, poll workers tell them they don't.
One of the more interesting anomalies on the video are the dates. The first subject, "Mohamud" is dated March 9, 2009. The "John Adams" video is dated February 27, 2012, as is "Adam Berger." "Travis Houle" is dated March 8, 2009. "Evan Bean" is March 8, 2009. The date of the Vermont primary was March 7, 2012. None of these videos have that date. The 2009-2010 Vermont elections calendar does not have any elections scheduled for March 8-9, 2009, nor was anything scheduled for February 27, 2012. There was a very close mayoral election in Burlington, VT on March 3, 2009, which went to an instant runoff where a progressive was elected over the Republican candidate, knocking the Democrat out of the race altogether. But why would video referring to a city race be dated March 9th when the election was March 3rd? The ballots cast on March 3rd were used in the instant runoff voting, so there wasn't a new vote on the 8th or 9th.
Vermont does, however, permit voter registration until five days before the election. In the case of "John Adams" and "Adam Berger", it's possible they were requesting voter registration forms, which they would not need ID to request, but would need ID to submit.
In Vermont, a valid photo ID is required when one registers to vote. Applicants are also required to take the "Voter's Oath", which must be certified by an appropriate official before the registration is valid. Once those requirements are met, the voter's name is entered on the rolls.
All of this begs the question: Where were these videos filmed and for what elections? It would appear they weren't even filmed in Vermont! And if they were filmed in Vermont on those days and actual ballots were requested, then O'Keefe forgot about this:
While one can indeed register to vote (in most places) without showing an ID via third party, what O'Keefe fails to mention in his video, is that the federal Help America Vote Act (HAVA) of 2002 already requires those who do not register in person to provide ID when voting for the first time at the polling place. In other words, if "Thomas Brady" registers to vote via the registration forms received via O'Keefe's video, he would be required, by federal law, to show an ID the first time he votes in person at the polling place.
He also evidently ignored this as he continues to push Voter ID laws with his highly suspect videos:
The only type of voter fraud which could possibly be deterred by such measures would be in-person, polling place impersonation, which is so rare that even George W. Bush's own Dept. of Justice was unable to find even a single instance of it, out of hundreds of millions of votes cast across the nation during the years from 2002 to 2005, when they placed unprecedented resources into ferreting out such instances of voter fraud.
And this is when Fist slinks away from the thread...
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Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
I would love to see that the liberals say about this
"The only type of voter fraud which could possibly be deterred by such measures would be in-person, polling place impersonation, which is so rare that even George W. Bush's own Dept. of Justice was unable to find even a single instance of it, out of hundreds of millions of votes cast across the nation during the years from 2002 to 2005, when they placed unprecedented resources into ferreting out such instances of voter fraud."
I have never met a sane republican.
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