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Yukishiro1  4 stars
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If you are accused of a serious violent crime and evade arrest law enforcement is absolutely allowed to kill you if they have to. They're supposed to try to capture you without killing you if at all possible but when there's no realistic way of doing that they're allowed to shoot you rather than let you get away. I don't know why you think they don't have that right.
__Bonk__  5 stars
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The US is slowly becoming more and more unfree. Both political parties are to blame plus most people who really dont care

 

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And you live in the united states? you watch too much justified.
Yukishiro1  4 stars
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I am not sure the freedom to run away from a valid arrest and trial and try to kill other americans instead is really a freedom that is high on my list of important freedoms to have.


Like I said, if they're killing people without a valid arrest and charges that's different. Or killing people who arn't an ongoign threat in any meaningful way.


If they have those things and you insist on hanging out in a mountain fort in some foreign country I have trouble feeling sorry for you if you get blown up or feeling like your rights have been egregiously violated.
Altra_Shadowstalker  4 stars
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Registered: 2002-1-17 11:48:15
The only time police are allowed to use deadly force on someone fleeing is if the suspect is trying to gain a tactical advantage to further attack. ie, running to cover so you can open fire from safety.

I wish we had a more moderate political tone. I should like to see Obama or Holder impeached for this, but not if Biden, Romney, Paul, or Santorum take his place. We should have votes of no confidence or something. Need 2/3s vote and then another election ensues. Though I'm not sure the country would benefit from more elections, and it would be a total disaster in our current climate/system.

 

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Yukishiro1  4 stars
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Altra_Shadowstalker posted:

The only time police are allowed to use deadly force on someone fleeing is if the suspect is trying to gain a tactical advantage to further attack. ie, running to cover so you can open fire from safety.



Are you just talking about what you personally think? Because that is not the law.


If you shoot someone in front of a police officer and then run away and don't pay attention to the officer's orders to surrender they can shoot you in the back.
Allstarslacker  3 stars
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Registered: 2006-5-23 20:09:28
Yukishiro1 posted:

I am not sure the freedom to run away from a valid arrest and trial and try to kill other americans instead is really a freedom that is high on my list of important freedoms to have.

Like I said, if they're killing people without a valid arrest and charges that's different. Or killing people who arn't an ongoign threat in any meaningful way.

If they have those things and you insist on hanging out in a mountain fort in some foreign country I have trouble feeling sorry for you if you get blown up or feeling like your rights have been egregiously violated.



I'm more worried about the rights of U.S. citizens than I am killing one man.

Keep in mind the entire world, including the United States, has been designated as the theater for the war on terror.

How long before we see domestic drone attacks to kill U.S. citizens accused of similar things?
Yukishiro1  4 stars
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Registered: 2002-9-20 23:52:57
Well, suppose you've got some guys fortified in some bunker with machine guns up in the appalachians refusing to submit to valid arrest. Are you really saying the police or the military arn't allowed to go blow up the bunker if they have to? Suppose you know for a fact that if you try to make a non-deadly arrest you're going to be greeted with machine gun fire and it's pretty much guaranteed multiple officers are going to die. I am as pro civil liberties as the next guy but in that situation I don't see how you can tell the police they have to die to safeguard the suspect's rights when the suspect is pointing a machine gun at them and clearly is not going to go quietly.
Allstarslacker  3 stars
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Registered: 2006-5-23 20:09:28
In that situation I think a siege is in order.

Nothing goes in or out.

I do not think indiscriminately killing everyone inside would be the appropriate action.

Also, how do you feel about what happened in Waco with the Branch Davidians?
Altra_Shadowstalker  4 stars
Posts: 1,266
Registered: 2002-1-17 11:48:15
Yukishiro1 posted:

Altra_Shadowstalker posted:

The only time police are allowed to use deadly force on someone fleeing is if the suspect is trying to gain a tactical advantage to further attack. ie, running to cover so you can open fire from safety.



Are you just talking about what you personally think? Because that is not the law.

If you shoot someone in front of a police officer and then run away and don't pay attention to the officer's orders to surrender they can shoot you in the back.



I should have said someone unarmed and fleeing. If you shoot someone in front of a cop, expect to be put down before you can put the gun down. If you shoot someone, throw the gun down and run, they're not justified in shooting you. I'm sure a cop would know how to talk themselves out of charges, but it's not a justified shot, technically.

 

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