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Yukishiro1  Posts: 3,243
Registered: 2002-9-20 23:52:57
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Applying for a job, give us your facebook name and password |
Cawlin posted:
Yukishiro1 posted:
I'm not sure it's all that blameworthy. When you have 10 applicants for every job you can afford to be picky. Wouldn't you rather have a worker who's not a total moron on facebook? If you hold all the cards, why not try to hire the best of the 10?
Have you ever interviewed people?
You're not allowed to ask about all kinds of things during the selection process.
If you're not aware, if someone gets your FB PW, they can request an entire history of everything that's been done on your FB account whether or not it appears on your "wall" or whatever. They can even get PM conversations between you and others that you've deleted...
As for trying to hire the best - if the company needs your FB password to see what you've written on your FB profile, then you're not a moron on FB and know how to set your privacy settings.
If they have a "right" to know what's on your FB page, they also have a right to your personal e-mail accounts and your cell phone and home phone information as well as any other correspondence you've had with anyone ever...
Woooooooooooooooooosh
The point was as long as we allow companies to do stuff like this I don't think it's all that blameworthy for them to do it. Snooping around someone's facebook page DOES allow you to make better, more educated hirings decisions that will result in hiring better people. That's just a fact. If we as a society think it's out of bounds we should make it out of bounds. Relying on the benevolence of corporations is stupid and only someone like Paul thinks it's realistic.
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Lyken-P  Posts: 453
Registered: 2006-1-14 18:41:19
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I barely use my facebook site, but I still wouldn't give out my info...
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Cawlin Posts: 1,759
Registered: 2005-2-22 07:58:42
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Applying for a job, give us your facebook name and password |
paulg_68 posted:
They don't have a right to any of it. They do have a right to ask if they want.
I'm in favor of taking away that right for positions below some reasonable dollar value.
I would agree sort of - but not on "dollar value" based positions - rather on positions based on "profile" within the company... I think a perfectly reasonable stance is "if we see you post anything to the public (as in not just your FB friends) that we don't like, you'll have to answer for it"
Obviously, as for issues with the legality of things, industrial espionage, insider trading, etc. the "privacy" of FB friends is not and should not be insulation from legal issues...
Additionally, now that I think about it, I'm not sure I believe they should have a right to ask because just asking implies that a selection might be based on whether or not you comply - which is the basis for a large number of "personal" questions being verboten during interviewing.
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Ashmaele Title: Pastor of Muppets
Posts: 1,809
Registered: 2002-1-15 08:30:50
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Applying for a job, give us your facebook name and password |
paulg_68 posted:
Yukishiro1 posted:
Companies don't succeed by being nice. They succeed by mercilessly exploiting their workers precisely as far as they can get away with just like they would any other resource they have.
You've had some pretty bad luck with companies if that's your impression.
I've worked for 2 like that and neither was as successful for the companies I've worked for that treated employees well.
FWIW, I made more money working for the most "ruthless" employer I've ever had than anywhere else.
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Cawlin Posts: 1,759
Registered: 2005-2-22 07:58:42
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1/1/00 12:01am
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Applying for a job, give us your facebook name and password |
Yukishiro1 posted:
Cawlin posted:
Yukishiro1 posted:
I'm not sure it's all that blameworthy. When you have 10 applicants for every job you can afford to be picky. Wouldn't you rather have a worker who's not a total moron on facebook? If you hold all the cards, why not try to hire the best of the 10?
Have you ever interviewed people?
You're not allowed to ask about all kinds of things during the selection process.
If you're not aware, if someone gets your FB PW, they can request an entire history of everything that's been done on your FB account whether or not it appears on your "wall" or whatever. They can even get PM conversations between you and others that you've deleted...
As for trying to hire the best - if the company needs your FB password to see what you've written on your FB profile, then you're not a moron on FB and know how to set your privacy settings.
If they have a "right" to know what's on your FB page, they also have a right to your personal e-mail accounts and your cell phone and home phone information as well as any other correspondence you've had with anyone ever...
Woooooooooooooooooosh
The point was as long as we allow companies to do stuff like this I don't think it's all that blameworthy for them to do it. Snooping around someone's facebook page DOES allow you to make better, more educated hirings decisions that will result in hiring better people. That's just a fact. If we as a society think it's out of bounds we should make it out of bounds. Relying on the benevolence of corporations is stupid and only someone like Paul thinks it's realistic.
Alright, yeah, I didn't get your point - basically the "a dog is a dog" argument... and yes I agree - and posted the same above.
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paulg_68 Posts: 2,469
Registered: 2009-7-27 18:45:54
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Ashmaele posted:
FWIW, I made more money working for the most "ruthless" employer I've ever had than anywhere else.
Commission and/or bonuses?
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Ashmaele Title: Pastor of Muppets
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Registered: 2002-1-15 08:30:50
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Applying for a job, give us your facebook name and password |
Yukishiro1 posted:
Snooping around someone's facebook page DOES allow you to make better, more educated hirings decisions that will result in hiring better people. That's just a fact.
I know plenty of people who act like idiots and post stupid shit on Facebook who are otherwise brilliant at their jobs. I don't know if studies have been done but I'm not sure this could be declared a "fact."
Yukishiro1 posted:
If we as a society think it's out of bounds we should make it out of bounds. Relying on the benevolence of corporations is stupid and only someone like Paul thinks it's realistic.
This is the underlying problem. For at least a generation now we've been moving as a society away from individual worker rights and instead favoring the rights of businesses and corporations, even going so far as to declare them "people." I agree with you that stuff like this should not surprise us in the least. This is what we've been working toward and will continue to work toward as long as their is a loud political majority who equate "freedom" with "freedom for employers to exploit people in whatever manner they wish in order to maximize profit."
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Ashmaele Title: Pastor of Muppets
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Registered: 2002-1-15 08:30:50
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Applying for a job, give us your facebook name and password |
paulg_68 posted:
Ashmaele posted:
FWIW, I made more money working for the most "ruthless" employer I've ever had than anywhere else.
Commission and/or bonuses?
Base salary + bonuses actually, not a sales position.
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Mastara Posts: 1,446
Registered: 2004-12-29 22:52:21
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and people still do it? umm.... no
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Yukishiro1 Posts: 3,243
Registered: 2002-9-20 23:52:57
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Applying for a job, give us your facebook name and password |
Ashmaele posted:
Yukishiro1 posted:
Snooping around someone's facebook page DOES allow you to make better, more educated hirings decisions that will result in hiring better people. That's just a fact.
I know plenty of people who act like idiots and post stupid shit on Facebook who are otherwise brilliant at their jobs. I don't know if studies have been done but I'm not sure this could be declared a "fact."
I don't have any data but I'm quite sure it's accurate to say that on average people who post stupid shit on facebook are less likely to be good workers than people who don't post stupid shit on facebook. Obviously there will be outliers.
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