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Brother_Tempus  3 stars
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Yukishiro1 posted:

I hope



That someday you will erect something other than a strawman, or ad hominem when someone disproves you statement made out of ignorance

Anyhow, teacher-student ratios are not the cause of increase costs in public schools since private ones are able to do the same and stay profitable

You have to look at the costt of the massive amounts of useless mandates and regulations and the amount of parasitic bureaucrats needed to enforce them as the problem.

 

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Brother_Tempus  3 stars
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GrymmDAOC posted:

How do you evaluate students without actually trying to find out what they have learned and how much they know?



by the work they have done in class

 

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Yukishiro1  4 stars
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Brother_Tempus posted:

Anyhow, teacher-student ratios are not the cause of increase costs in public schools since private ones are able to do the same and stay profitable



WTF?


Apparently you didn't get taught very good reasoning skills either. The one does not disprove the other.


Also, 95%+ of private schools are not for profit. Probably 99%.


You obviously have both little capacity to reason and no idea what you're actually talking about.
theredkay1  3 stars
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Brother_Tempus posted:

the private school my kids go to has a 10:1 ratio and a good percentage of the kids are advanced academically compared to the grade designation and the school makes a profiit


Anyhow, teacher-student ratios are not the cause of increase costs in public schools since private ones are able to do the same and stay profitable



Be interesting to see if the key difference is.....more revenue?

It doesnt appear that you have considered that revenue might be a variable. Its a pretty important piece of the puzzle.

Other things like the ability to turn people away are a key difference that you are ignoring.
GrymmDAOC  1 star
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Brother_Tempus posted:

GrymmDAOC posted:

How do you evaluate students without actually trying to find out what they have learned and how much they know?



by the work they have done in class



And how is grading the math sums little johnnie done in class any different from a test?

 

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Brother_Tempus  3 stars
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theredkay1 posted:

Brother_Tempus posted:

the private school my kids go to has a 10:1 ratio and a good percentage of the kids are advanced academically compared to the grade designation and the school makes a profiit


Anyhow, teacher-student ratios are not the cause of increase costs in public schools since private ones are able to do the same and stay profitable



Be interesting to see if the key difference is.....more revenue?

It doesnt appear that you have considered that revenue might be a variable.



Yearly tuition at the school my kids go to is less than the national public school per pupil average of $10.5k (2009)

 

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Ashmaele  4 stars
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GrymmDAOC posted:

Brother_Tempus posted:

GrymmDAOC posted:

How do you evaluate students without actually trying to find out what they have learned and how much they know?



by the work they have done in class



And how is grading the math sums little johnnie done in class any different from a test?

I think it's pretty obvious to any rational, honest person that standardized tests are more about testing teachers than testing students.

 

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Brother_Tempus  3 stars
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GrymmDAOC posted:

Brother_Tempus posted:

GrymmDAOC posted:

How do you evaluate students without actually trying to find out what they have learned and how much they know?



by the work they have done in class



And how is grading the math sums little johnnie done in class any different from a test?



Time in class doing math doesnt take away time learning other subjects like this test preperation does

 

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Brother_Tempus  3 stars
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Ashmaele posted:

GrymmDAOC posted:

Brother_Tempus posted:

GrymmDAOC posted:

How do you evaluate students without actually trying to find out what they have learned and how much they know?



by the work they have done in class



And how is grading the math sums little johnnie done in class any different from a test?

I think it's pretty obvious to any rational, honest person that standardized tests are more about testing teachers than testing students.


There are certifications for that which woukd eat up the teacher's time, not the taxpayers/students time

 

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Lyken-P  2 stars
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This thread shows exactly with the US education system is doomed.

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