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paulg_68  Posts: 2,469
Registered: 2009-7-27 18:45:54
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Please don't kill this technology gas and oil companies... |
Eternal_Midnight posted:
1) I thought it was because oil and gas have a huge lobbying effort. *shrug* After all, they have to keep making those record profits. Interesting, then, that the profits they earn in just one year are more than enough to pay for what you, the taxpayer, are still subsidizing. Just one oil and gas company earns over $40 billion in profit - how is anything they do not economically viable?
The subsidies to oil companies don't contribute to profits. They compensate for losses on unprofitable operations. Oil companies couldn't care less if the government took away their subsidies. They'd just shut down the unprofitable operations and fire all the people who work on them. Their bottom line would stay exactly the same. They would just go forward exclusively with their profitable operations.
Eternal_Midnight posted:
2) Solar isn't bad technology. You keep saying it, but won't make it true. The sun gives us more than enough power on a daily basis to run everything. For free. Why would you dig into the ground to get something that falls on us every day, and doesn't require us to destroy the biosphere in the process?
Because solar is much more expensive than coal.
Eternal_Midnight posted:
3) If you are willing to pay the subsidies
I'm not. I say fire all those workers and let them find jobs that make economic sense. I don't think we should subsidize any industries.
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Urk_VN  Title: Orderly Randomizer
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Registered: 2002-10-30 17:31:32
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Date Posted:
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I'd say we should invest in satellites to harvest power from the sun in space, and have it beam it down to power stations waiting on the ground. Then you won't have to worry about cloudy days/night time, and as a side bonus, you can reconfigure said satellites into kill sats. Who needs nukes when you can call death from above? 
Back on the topic, I think we should be investing in research for renewable energy. The oil's probably going to run out at some point, so it'd be nice to have viable alternatives for it. |
theredkay1  Posts: 611
Registered: 2008-5-16 10:37:09
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paulg_68 posted:
The subsidies to oil companies don't contribute to profits.
 Can you point to the subsidy that specifies it only applies to unprofitable operations? 
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Kjarhall Title: The Pungent One
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Registered: 2002-3-1 15:47:21
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Fist_de_Yuma posted:
Question? Even if this works so well that we need no power plants when the sun shines; what do we do after it stops shining? You do understand that we cannot story it?
You remind me of a joke i heard a long time ago:
Outposter: "I am the only Outposter that has been to the moon"
Outposter 2: "Oh yeah, well i'm going to be the first to go to Mars"
Fist: "That's nothing, I am going to go to THE SUN!"
Outposter: "How are you going to do that, you'll burn up!"
Fist: "Not a problem, i will go at night!"
Ba dum dum. 
In short, we're already storing solar energy. Or, look up net-metering. Also, stop being a dumbass so consistently.
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Sin_of_Onin Posts: 1,307
Registered: 2005-6-29 08:21:12
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Coal will always be super cheap. It is a stupid comparison to make.
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1/1/00 12:01am
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Sin_of_Onin posted:
Coal will always be super cheap. It is a stupid comparison to make.
Sunlight is free.
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paulg_68 Posts: 2,469
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theredkay1 posted:
paulg_68 posted:
The subsidies to oil companies don't contribute to profits.
Can you point to the subsidy that specifies it only applies to unprofitable operations?
All of them.
Can you point to one that's not?
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paulg_68 Posts: 2,469
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Eternal_Midnight posted:
Sin_of_Onin posted:
Coal will always be super cheap. It is a stupid comparison to make.
Sunlight is free.
Solar panels and energy storage systems are not.
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Sin_of_Onin Posts: 1,307
Registered: 2005-6-29 08:21:12
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The problem with coal is that it is coal.
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Azure-TheBlueOne posted:
Why do you say the excess day energy can't be stored for night use?
This is assuming story was a typo.
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Exactly the problem. If we could store it we would be far better off, even with oil and coal. Over power is wasted. They have to shut down and bring up sections, at great cost, to make supply as close to demand as possible.
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