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Sin_of_Onin
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Registered: 2005-6-29 08:21:12
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Friarspam posted:
What's wrong with idea of just telling kids to be nice to everyone that they can? Do you REALLY think that stressing "be nice to minorities" is the answer? Hell, if a person is a good and decent individual they should already be treating folks the same, regardless of "color".
Actually one thing that they have tried is to just sit them down and let them talk about stuff. A lot of problems really pick up in middle school where social defenses go up never to be crossed again. It is less about being nice and more about not being afraid IMO.
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Yukishiro1
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Registered: 2002-9-20 23:52:57
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Friarspam posted:
What's wrong with idea of just telling kids to be nice to everyone that they can? Do you REALLY think that stressing "be nice to minorities" is the answer? Hell, if a person is a good and decent individual they should already be treating folks the same, regardless of "color".
Actually what the study is suggesting is that this attitude is more harmful than you think it is. Your attempt to ignore race entirely doesn't work because kids arn't as dumb as you think.
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Friarspam
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Registered: 2007-1-23 07:01:27
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Yukishiro1 posted:
Friarspam posted:
What's wrong with idea of just telling kids to be nice to everyone that they can? Do you REALLY think that stressing "be nice to minorities" is the answer? Hell, if a person is a good and decent individual they should already be treating folks the same, regardless of "color".
Actually what the study is suggesting is that this attitude is more harmful than you think it is. Your attempt to ignore race entirely doesn't work because kids arn't as dumb as you think.
I didn't say we "ignored" race. I just don't see how so many people like to "celebrate" some races and then act like they're treating everyone the same. I am not referring to individuals or families, either. I have friends all over the spectrum and I really enjoy aspects of their culture. I'm referring to the society-wide busybodies who create more conflict than they "fix".
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Afio
Title: Belle of the Bull
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Registered: 2002-3-19 16:18:03
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Yukishiro1 posted:
The study also says it matters a lot whether your kids have contact with kids of other races or not. If they do, not talking about race may not matter. If they don't, it's probably more important. Kids are not dumb and if you never put them in situations where they can get to know kids of other races they will make assumptions, especially if you try to avoid talking about it.
Also, kids are kids. Even if there was no such thing as racism an an established ism kids would still discriminate against eachother based on skin color. Just like they do based on height and weight and hair color and eye color and whether you have ears that stick out from your head or who are poor or any other little thing they can find that distinguishes them from "normal" kids. Kids are wired to pick out and ostracize people who are different.
I have posted this before. I was raised in a small Mississippi town. We owned a grocery that was across the street to what would be considered projects today. I played with black children until we moved to New Orleans when I was about 7. I did not realize that they were "different" until one day I noticed that there were no black kids in my school and I asked about it. The nuns danced around it and told me that they had their own schools.
I did not see them as different.
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Yukishiro1
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Registered: 2002-9-20 23:52:57
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If you live in a mixed area race won't be a vector of discrimination because people having different skin colors will be "normal." Instead kids will tease the guy with the birthmark or the buck teeth or the ears that stick out. In this case talking about race with your kids is probably not necessary.
If you are one of just a few black kids in the neighborhood the kids are going to notice and probably tease you about it even if there's no history of racism. In this case talking about race with your kids is probably a good idea.
About 90-95% of americans live in still defacto segregated neighborhoods. So for most parents trying to hide the ball on race is not a great idea.
In some ways the WORST situation is segregated neighborhoods but mixed schools. What tends to happen there is that racial cliques develop at the school and although in theory the school is mixed in practice it's just two different schools happening in the same building. This happens a lot in berkeley and oakland schools, for example.
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Yukishiro1 posted:
If you live in a mixed area race won't be a vector of discrimination because people having different skin colors will be "normal."
I expect this would also be influenced by the relative socioeconomic status of the mix, although you might be assuming relative parity in your statement, I dunno.
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Yukishiro1
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Yeah I am talking about those very few neighborhoods in America which have mixed racial populations who are really mixed in in a house by house sort of way and other than race pretty much similar.
There are very, very few such neighborhoods in America. Probably less than 5%.
At least 85% of American housing is racially segregated in reality. There will be a few odd thumbs here and there but by and large these neighborhoods are almost (i.e. 95%+ monoracial). A large chunk of the remaining "integrated" neighborhoods are not actually integrated in a meaningful way - they are neighborhoods where, for example, wealthy(er) childless whites are moving back into traditionally family minority neighborhoods in cities because of gentrification. This isn't a genuinely mixed neighborhood - it's just a neighborhood in the middle of being resegregated to match new economic and social realities.
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Yukishiro1 posted:
Yeah I am talking about those very few neighborhoods in America which have mixed racial populations who are really mixed in in a house by house sort of way and other than race pretty much similar.
There are very, very few such neighborhoods in America. Probably less than 5%.
At least 85% of American housing is racially segregated in reality.
I didn't live in that 5% until I went to university. 
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Z-Elder
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Registered: 2002-3-15 13:58:39
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I always knew 95% of you were racists living in lil racist's homes and neighborhoods!!
White population: 5,687
Black population: 3,251
Asian population: 10,221
Hispanic or Latino population: 3,580
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander population: 3,949
Some other race population: 1,046
Two or more races population: 1,203
American Indian population: 314
Beat that ya Racists!
enter your zip code and scroll down.
http://www.city-data.com/
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Elocism
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Registered: 2002-5-3 01:50:00
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i didnt read all this crap, but i bet the behavior is correlated with dolls and action figures and such being omgwhite 
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